Great Stuff — How Obama became Pro-Gay Marriage

Another Great Stuff post on Pastor Philip Hoppe’s blog, Meditations of the Heart:


Listen to his own words:

“I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors, when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together; when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Roberts in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Thursday.

Obama become Pro-Gay marriage relationally. He knew people who were gay and wanted no longer to offend those people by denying them the rights other couples have.

He did not come to this position through biological reflection. No one discovered a hereunto unknown gene which shows that people are born genetically gay. Every male and female born today are still born with private parts that suggest the only biologically compatible relationship is that between man and woman. It remains the only relationship which can propagate the species. Nothing has changed there.

He did not come to this position after re-examining the Scriptures Christianity holds as sacred. For again, those scriptures still testify from the first book to the last that marriage and sexuality are given only to men and women. Those wish to argue otherwise are required to come to the scriptures with a Jeffersonian love for excising troublesome parts of the Book at their own discretion.

He did not come to this position historically or sociologically. The research all shows that homosexuality is not a practice that prospers societies.

Obama become Pro-Gay marriage relationally. And he is not alone. I would suggest that everyone who does not come to this position by virtue of personally embracing homosexuality as their own sexual identity comes to this position relationally. They know someone who claims homosexuality as their identity and cannot bear to stand in opposition to them.

And I do not wish to minimize this struggle for a moment. It is a dark and torturous place for anyone to be. I have experienced it personally though not as closely as many of you may have. But the fact that it is hard to stand in opposition to those we love does not make it okay to not do so.

Matthew 10:37-39 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

If you have not felt the heat of this crucible yet, you surely will. You will know someone and love someone who will choose homosexuality as their way of life. You will desire to keep both them and your beliefs close.

When it happens, do not melt away. Do the truly loving thing, stand firm, and speak the truth in love. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you may save both yourself and them.

And yet be prepared for the opposite also. For if that person does not turn after much loving counsel, the intensity of the heat will grow. Eventually it may dissolve the connection between you and them. And while that is never the intention, it is far more important that you remain connected to Christ. You must remain relationally connected to Christ. It is your life.

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About Norm Fisher

Norm was raised in the UCC in Connecticut, and like many fell away from the church after high school. With this background he saw it primarily as a service organization. On the miracle of his first child he came back to the church. On moving to Texas a few years later he found a home in Lutheranism when he was invited to a confessional church a half-hour away by our new neighbors.

He is one of those people who found a like mind in computers while in Middle School and has been programming ever since. He's responsible for many websites, including the Book of Concord,, and several other sites.

He has served the church in various positions, including financial secretary, sunday school teacher, elder, PTF board member, and choir member.

Norm has been involved behind the scenes in many of the "go-to" websites for Lutherans going back many years.


Great Stuff — How Obama became Pro-Gay Marriage — 15 Comments

  1. It really doesn’t matter what angle you choose to use, inc. theology or excluding it, if you do not agree, vitrol is flung in your face. Just did that type of discussion today, w/taking theology off the table & just looking at personal choices, hetero domestic partnerships, democratic process, & rule of law. All open ended questioning, try that sometime, they think ya hate marriage in general, lol.
    15 yrs yesterday, thinkin more than likely I support mine & the institution. Just as defined as man & woman. Theology or not, unless you agree, it’s vitrol & rocks for you.

  2. It seems a common response from gay marriage supporters is that the current law discriminates. Well don’t all laws discriminate? But if you think about it this particular law does not discriminate because every man can marry one woman and every woman can marry one man. It excludes no one. The Obama administration’s public grandstanding on this issue is a combination of desperation as even the base of the radical left is more likely to flee to a third party (Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, or some Nader-ish persona) than are those conservatives unhappy with the Romney nomination. And it is the degree of comfort with which the Obama administration has with the 90+% African American vote that despite consisting of a block that would oppose a change to marriage laws wouldn’t let the issue be enough to switch parties or to stay home in November. Political pundits reference a major shift from 15 years ago was 75% of Americans oppose gay marriage to the current day where it is closer to 50%. The Obama bet is that the move is a safe one despite the issue losing on every ballot referendum on which it was ever put to a vote.

  3. Even if he said it, who care about the blather of a perverted, lying, murdering traitor?

    Here is a more relevant view on homosexual marriage (not likely to be printed in The Lutheran Witness) from Dr. Martin Luther’s “On War Against the Turk” (Vom Kriege wider die Türken, 1528, WA 30 II, 107-148):

    “Italian weddings – homosexual relationships

    “God visits them with the same plague, too, and smites them with blindness, so that it happens to them as St. Paul says, in Romans 1:28, about the shameful vice of the dumb sins, that God gives them up to a perverse mind because they pervert the Word of God. So blind and senseless are both pope and Turk that both of them commit the dumb sins shamelessly, as an honorable and praiseworthy thing. Since they think lightly of marriage, it serves them right that there are dog-marriages (and would to God they were dog-marriages), nay, ‘Italian marriages’ and ‘Florentine brides” among them; and they think these things good;

    “For I hear one horrible thing after another about what an open and glorious Sodom Turkey is, and everybody who has looked around a little in Rome and Italy knows very well how God there revenges and punishes the prohibition of marriage, so that Sodom and Gomorrah, which God overwhelmed in days of old with fire and brimstone, must seem a mere jest compared with these abominations. On this one account, therefore, I would regret the rule of the Turk; nay, it would be intolerable in Germany.”

  4. “No one discovered a hereunto unknown gene which shows that people are born genetically gay.”

    I sometimes hear “genetically gay” as a justification for homosexuality but I don’t get it. So what, if some people were born “genetically gay”?

    We were all born with a bad gene: Original Sin. But that does not justify our sinning.

    God’s Blessings,
    Ginny Valleau

  5. “How Obama became Pro-Gay Marriage”

    We all were told that Monica’s ex-boyfriend was the first Black President. Now the leftist political rag, Newsweek, will explain in its May 21st cover story how the current Narcissist-in-Chief is “The First Gay President” (rainbow halo and all).

  6. And yet be prepared for the opposite also. For if that person does not turn after much loving counsel, the intensity of the heat will grow. Eventually it may dissolve the connection between you and them. And while that is never the intention, it is far more important that you remain connected to Christ. You must remain relationally connected to Christ. It is your life.

    What does this mean exactly? For example, let’s say my son is gay. I stand firm and say “Junior, homosexual relationships are a sin”. Several years go by and he eventually marries his partner. I continue to stand firm and say “Homosexual relationships are a sin…oh and by the way are you two coming over for Thanksgiving dinner?” I see no reason to invoke the old “My son is dead to me!!!” routine. Yes, I realize as Confessional Lutherans we are called to be the proverbial turds in the punch bowl of Christianity but isn’t this taking things too far? And how exactly does anyone’s gay relationship effect me being “relationally connected to Christ”?
    And why this one issue? Would you advocate quitting our children over the issue of worship or open vs closed communion?

  7. @#4 Kitty #6
    This is a fair question. ‘What does this mean?’ is always the Lutheran question, isn’t it?

    And I believe that the answer is that if the connection dissolves between you and them, it should not be your heat that does it but rather theirs. It should not be your rejection. We are called to speak the truth in love, and must do both together. I agree with you that there is no reason to invoke a position that a son is dead to you, and would add that doing so would be wrong.

  8. @#4 Kitty #6
    Sorry, that’s precisely what it means. You may invite your son over to dinner, but inviting both him and his lover would be countenancing sinful behavior. You would (I’m assuming a hypothetical case here) have to act the part of the loving parent whose child is going down the wrong path and refusing to approve of it. (This does not mean that your son is “dead” to you, per se, but inviting him and his lover over is definitely showing approval of something of which you should not approve).

  9. Dr. Morse of the Ruth Institute made some very good points in a recent interview on Issues Etc. .
    The people who are pressing for “homosexual marriage” are pushing, perhaps inadvertently, perhaps not, for government intrusion into every part of life. “This is a government takeover of the whole realm of friendship.” So far as the state’s interest in marriage is concerned, “The only reason that the state has ever gotten involved in the thing we’re calling marriage is that the interests of helpless children” are involved. Marriage is tied up in human biology and the bearing and rearing of children, and is not really subject to the redefinition that the homosexual activists are attempting to foist on us.

  10. @Paul of Alexandria #8
    Why would it be countenancing sinful behavior to let a gay son bring his friend over for Thanksgiving dinner? That’s just really really dumb. I rather assume they will not be having sex on the dining room table.

    Are you also suggesting that a son who is living with his girlfriend should not bring her by for Thanksgiving dinner – same sin, buddy.

    No, I would not let them sleep in the same bed at my house – but then neither would I allow my son to sleep in the same bed with his live in girlfriend.

    Same sin – same rules.

    Gads, sometimes people are idiots

  11. Norm or those who may hold an Office,
    This is where stands & Solas pertaining, should be posted.

  12. This is the first generation ever that is seeking to re-define what marriage is.

    The big picture here is that Obama is just throwing stuff out there to keep folks from looking at his horrible record.

    Romney is smart to stick with the viewpoint that marriage is between a man and a woman. He is also smart to not spend too much time on this (it is for the states) and get back to the disaster of the Obama record.

    We wear two hats; one in the Kingdom of God — as Christians — as we seek to advance the Kingdom through the proper proclamation of the Word of God and the Sacraments. The other hat that we wear is in the Kingdom of man, as we seek to cut big government, cut taxes, get the Keystone pipeline going and deal with the trade imbalance with China — which will create jobs.

  13. Carl Vehse makes intriguing statements above and quotes Luther in “On War Against the Turk.”
    Things get more interesting in light of (1):
    and back to Luther’s “On War Against the Turk,” (2):
    “…Mohammed’s Koran has no regard for marriage…” English translation. Luther’s Works Vol 46, p 181.
    Further, within Islam, there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. Battle is one such provision.
    “What does this mean?” A great many things are going on. For starters: Jeremiah Wright’s practice looks a lot like Open Communion, now that has been mentioned too.

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