Harrison requests public action on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

LCMS President Matthew Harrison has sent out an appeal asking pastors and other members of the LCMS to call members of Congress about legislation to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” as well as speak with members of the congregation and community.

Here’s the text of his note:

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

In a surprising turn of events in the waning days of the current Congress, the effort to repeal the U.S. military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy has gained new momentum with the announcement today of support from Republican senators Scott Brown (Mass.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), and Olympia Snowe (Maine). The repeal may be voted on in the Senate as early as tomorrow. For a number of reasons, we encourage you to let your elected leaders know that The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod has a clear biblical position on this important issue.

In terms of our spirituality, we are all alike sinners (Rom. 3:9ff.) in need of repentance and forgiveness. For 2,000 years the church has welcomed sinners, but refused to affirm sin. The saving grace of Jesus Christ and His Gospel are for all people (2 Cor. 5:19), and the only thing that separates us from this forgiveness is a lack of repentance or sorrow over our sin. We believe the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy will sorely inhibit our military chaplains’ ability to call all sinners to repentance.

If the government normalizes homosexual behavior in our military branches—a behavior that we believe God’s Word identifies as intrinsically sinful (Rom. 1:26ff)—the implications are profound. Military chaplains striving to carry out their responsibilities for preaching, counseling, and consoling will find themselves under the strain of having to question whether to obey God or men (Acts 5:29).

Lastly, we express our concern as citizens that a move by the government to essentially affirm homosexual behavior within the armed forces will endanger the morale or esprit de corps—the unit cohesion and the primary mission of the military, namely, to prosecute and win the war—of the men and women who serve and willingly place themselves in harm’s way on our behalf.

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, we urge you to share this message today with your colleagues, congregational members, and any others whom you believe would benefit from it and be moved to contact their government representatives.

You may find the contacts for your senators and representatives here: http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/

For more information on this issue, see The Lutheran Study Bible, Page 1911, on Romans 1.

God bless you.

Rev. Matthew C. Harrison, President
The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod

Dr. Mark J. Schreiber,
CAPT, CHC, USN, (Ret.)
Director, LCMS World Mission’s Ministry to the Armed Forces

Over at GetReligion, the conflict between church and state issues has been discussed regularly. Here’s a recent post, if you’re interested.

I’m also looking for the letter signed by many chaplains, including LCMS chaplains, about their concerns over replacing DADT with a different policy. I’ll post it when I find it.


Harrison requests public action on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” — 40 Comments

  1. It’s too bad this notice didn’t go out prior to the elections last month so that Lutherans would have time to make sure they cast their votes for political candidates other than the RINOs and ‘rats who are trying to repeal DADT.

  2. Carl,

    I doubt it would have mattered. The reason that this is coming up now is to try and have the votes available of the outgoing liberal congressmen. I could call my senator, the very liberal Russ Feingold, but he was soundly defeated in the election so what does he care if he ticks me off? He can vote freely for this atrocity and have no ramifications because of it. The conservative candidates could have completely taken over both houses of the congress, but they don’t get sworn in until January 5th. The problem is that this is a lame-duck session, and there are no political consequences for the actions of the outgoing members. We should still make our voices heard, but the most important voices will be those who have senators and representatives that have re-elections coming anytime in the future! Make use of the God-given blessing to participate in your government, and make your voices heard, especially if your congressman will have an election coming in the future!!!

  3. Yayyyy! Another Wisconsin guy. We did well up here. In area it was a clean sweep, sheriff, assembly, U.S. House (Duffy), as well as senate and governor. But Mike, you’re right, these guys have no shame and face no consequences for stupid decisions.

  4. I told Pres Harrison that I only require soldiers to shoot straight (quoting Goldwater). I might as well ask heterosexual adulterers and fornicators to recuse themselves out of the military. And I am sure that homosexual soldiers have the discipline to keep it in their breeches just like heterosexual soldiers would whilst fighting in the trenches.

  5. A few questions: Is fornication a “normalized behavior” in our military branches? Are Muslim, Baptist, Catholic, traditional Lutherans allowed to call “fornication” a sin, even though it is most likely practiced among many members of military and not punished by the military? Does repealing DADT mean that “homosexuality” becomes a protected behavior which military chaplains cannot call a sin? If so, what about the other sins that the military does not punish? According to this letter, the main issue seems to be that chaplains will be restricted in what they can or cannot call sin.

    Frankly, I think Rev. Harrison should have left off the paragraph beginning, “Lastly….” because that is opinion that has nothing to do with his position as a President of the LCMS. (Even if I may agree with his opinion, he should limit his comments as President to the religious issues and the freedom of chaplains to proclaim law and gospel.

  6. I wonder – no, I doubt – if homosexuals will “tell” the Muslims if they are captured. We can’t imagine how they would not be treated. It would be horrible beyond words.

  7. This is in God’s hands. If he doesn’t want DADT repealed then it won’t be repealed. No, pastor Harrison, I refuse to contact my representatives and senators concerning this issue. But I will pray that God’s will be done.

  8. I admire Pres. Harrison but I couldn’t disagree more with him on this. I agree with Carol Rutz in post #4. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with serving in the military. There have always been homosexuals in the military, this is nothing new. There are sinners of all kinds in the military including unrepentent sinners. The chaplains can still preach the word of God, Law and Gospel.

  9. @Carol Rutz #4
    And I am sure that homosexual soldiers have the discipline to keep it in their breeches just like heterosexual soldiers would whilst fighting in the trenches.

    No doubt. 🙁
    About 15%, it was estimated, of the women soldiers sent to the first Gulf War went home early because pregnant. [Which was not saying that only 15% were sleeping around.]

    Chaplains can still tell adulterers it’s a sin, without repercussions. It may not stop the sinners, but they aren’t saying, “You can’t tell me it’s wrong”.
    The letter largely reflects the concerns of the Chaplains, who were heard from last week, and was probably written at their request.

  10. @Helen #9

    The letter largely reflects the concerns of the Chaplains, who were heard from last week, and was probably written at their request.

    Exactly. The chaplains know what is coming. The ‘gay’ political movement, as evidenced elsewhere, is never satisified with just tolerance. They will insist on official, law-enforced APPROVAL. The ultimate goal will be to punish any speech/writing which calls homosexuality a sin and with what passes for judges in many jurisdictions today, don’t expect relief. Prepare for persecution. May God have mercy. This is indeed an exciting time in God’s cycle.

    “… Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!” Revelation 22:7

  11. @RK #10 is very right.

    And also, as Christians we are called to be lights in the world. Therefore, we should speak Truth, whether the world wants to hear it or not. Satan runs to and fro, and takes great pleasure in corrupting God’s creation every way he can. I think Harrison needed to write this letter, and I whole-heartedly support him in it.

  12. A key issue here is a sinful inclination and way of life that has been furnished a “theological” rationale. This is nothing new. Cf. Isaiah 5:20. I have in my possession a slick, professionally written Bible study (with accompanying DVD) devoted to justifying the homosexual way of life. While homosexual activity is no greater sin than any other, like other sexual sins, it quickly becomes all-consuming. That it is “theologically” defended by some who would call themselves Christians we must understand as the sternest of warnings.

    The seriousness of the issue in the context of civic and spiritual well-being is underlined in Romans 1, especially vv. 24-28, (Rom 1:24-28) where Paul describes a culture given over to the consequences of its open sins. We should not be surprised that Paul singles out sexual sins. Male and female are created in the image of God. Marriage is an image of the relationship of Christ and His Church. Judicial and legislative decisions that fly in the face of God’s order of Creation and Redemption are guaranteed to have serious consequences. If we are not able to prevent them, we will surely have to live with them. Affirmation of homosexual unions is but one sign that fits Paul’s warning. A congressional vote to affirm open homosexuality in the military is another such sign. It may well be a critical turning point, given the potential ramifications.

    The hazard to the consciences of chaplains and their ability to call sinners to repentance is but one issue. At least as important is the establishment of open homosexuality as a civil right, with (at least implied) penalties for those who would express disagreement. Consider that official civic approval is certain to lead to further temptation for those afflicted with the inclination – a serious matter, indeed. Many of our congressional representatives, those who support open homosexuality in the military, know not what they are doing, i.e., laying ground for temptation to sin. And that’s putting the best construction on it.

    Our civic leaders deserve a clear prophetic warning. We elected them. It is the responsibility of the Church and its leaders to sound that alarm, just as the OT prophets sounded warnings in Israel. President Harrison has sounded such an alarm. Christians need to increase the volume both publicly and in direct personal communication with those charged with making civic policy.

    Where is the Gospel in all of this? As always, the Good News of God’s forgiveness in Christ is freely and readily communicated to the repentant sinner.

  13. Excellent post David B. Best of the bunch. Here is my take on all of this.

    Pastors need to tread very carefully when it comes to speaking to the culture. We are not called to speak to the culture but to speak law and gospel to people, confronting them with their sin and forgiving where there is repentance.

    This does not exclude speaking out against sin in the culture however, it just needs to be done very carefully and with full understanding what our limits are making sure it does not become our primary work.

    Here are a few principles that may be helpful.

    1. God’s morality as revealed in the Scriptures is true.

    2. A nation that lives according to the true Scriptural morality is a better off than one that does not.

    3. Any nation that takes God and revelation out of their moral philosophy is foolish and because of the fallen nature of man, will never arrive at the true morality given us in Scripture.

    4. It is OK for God and religious truth to be spoken in and by the government. The seperation of church and state simply means that the government will not endorse a particular denomination and make it the religion of the state. Congressman should make it a regular habit, and so should we, to use the truth of Scripture in public discourse. It is after all, the Truth.

    5. In any nation, free or totalitarian, Christians should speak out against laws that do not support the true morality of God, especially in a free state.

    6. It is also good for the LCMS and other Bible-believing denominations to make it clear to others where they stand on these issues so that our church gives a true confession to the world.

    7. Such statements as made by President Harrison are certainly desirable but they should take up very little of his or our time. This is not the proper work of the church but a helpful work.

    Pastor Harrison needs to speak as clearly against pop culture worship, open communion, unscriptural roles for women in the church, etc. as he has here against the repealing of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.” It is easier for him to speak against such things like homosexuality because most LCMS’ers are politcally conservative. After a year or two of good solid teaching from the President and working through the Koinonia project, we need to see this sort of clarity spoken to the LCMS on much more important issues than homosexuality.


  14. “So God punishes the hatred of His own gift and ordinance in those who ban marriage. For other laws the custom was that if a benefit could clearly be shown, they were changed. Why isn’t the same done with this law [forced celibacy of priests]?

    There are weighty reasons to support such a a change [to allow priests to marry], especially now. Nature is growing old and is gradually becoming weaker. Vices are increasing. Therefore, the divine cures [marriage] should be used.

    We see what vice God condemned before the flood and before the burning of the five cities [including Sodom and Gomorrah]. Similar vices have come before the destruction of many other cities, such as Sybaris and Rome. These illustrate what it will be like in the end times.

    So now, marriage should be strongly defended by the strictest laws and warning examples. [Here Melanchthon is talking about laws in the civil sphere.] People should be encouraged to marry. This duty belongs to public officials, who should maintain public discipline.

    Meanwhile, the teachers of the Gospel should do both of these things: encourage unchaste people to marry; encourage others not to hate the give of chastity.” Ap XXIII:53-55

    I’m not sure that Melanchthon would have agreed with with accommodating, supporting, agreeing with, ignoring, or refraining from addressing sexual sin and its dire consequences, even in the public sphere.

    It is the job of the State, according to Melanchthon, to obey God’s will, accessible by human reason through the natural law, concerning marriage, and to punish those who violate this holy estate.

    When the State does not do so, according to Melanchthon, they invite God’s awful destruction.

    Robert at bioethike.com

  15. More good stuff to counter the liberal and false views of separation of church and state that so many of us were raised on. Thank you Robert!

    I am a good case in point. from fifth grade on I was educated in public schools. Get a load of this, in the middle of nowhere, in rural Iowa, in the late 60’s and early 70’s, I was brain-washed with liberal politics in the public schools. It took be a full twenty years to see the bias that had been planted in my brain.

    Say what you will, the fact remains, the best morality by which a people ought to govern itself, is the morality given us by God. Anything else, is less than right.


  16. Pastor Tim Rossow :Say what you will, the fact remains, the best morality by which a people ought to govern itself, is the morality given us by God. Anything else, is less than right.

    Indeed Pr. Rossow. I think we can take the point further and state that “anything else” is immoral, since any moral system not built upon that which has been given to us by God is a system derived from self-reflection, i.e. arising from the question “How would I like to be treated by others?” Such questions lead to an appeal to the self as our moral ground and not to God and His Word which is the only real moral foundation.

  17. Now that 65 Senators voted to repeal DADT, will anyone be having imprecatory prayers at church tomorrow. I’ll be submitting such prayer requests at my church (along with 65 names).

  18. @Pastor Tim Rossow #16

    You are way off from the original topic. The military in no way enforces outward morality now when it comes to its members’ personal relationships. I assume that rules against ‘fraternization’ will still be enforced, but members’ personal relationships will not longer affect their service in the military.

    Regarding chaplains: have they been able to call things sin, for instance, imbibing alcoholic beverages (as Muslims and most Baptist preachers might call sin) or fornication under the current policy?

  19. MPC,

    I really do not see this as a matter of enforcement. I see it as our culture taking another step in endorsing immoral behaviour. Anything a culture does to uphold the morality of the Bible is a good thing for that culture. Anything a culture does to deny Biblical morality is bad for that culture.

    Is our country better off with DADT or by openly saying that it is OK to be gay and in the military? I say the former and in part I believe that is what Harrison’s statement upholds.


  20. Good question Kitty.

    Notice that this is the second command. It is based on the first. We love our neighbor because we love God (and because of our sin, becuase He first loved us – but that’s another story).

    The world uses the Golden Mean apart from the first command and so it becomes rooted in, as Jim said, self love. What Jesus says in Mark 12 is not philosophical but theological. He is basically saying, “and if you want to know how to care for your neighbor, think of how you care for yourself.”

    Another way to put is that God is the one telling us to love our neighbors as ourselves. That is what makes it theological. It is not a principle derived from reason as the secular ethicists claim.


  21. @#4 Kitty #22

    “Love your neighbor as yourself” is within the confines of God’s will as expressed through His word. What is good for yourself? God tells you in His Word. Thus, the basis for the morality is not a result of introspection, “How would I like to be treated,” but is rather answered by how God tells us to love our neighbor as we find in the second table commandments which are summed up by the love of our neighbor. So, self-reflection is not required. Indeed, self-reflection will tell us only how miserably sinful we are and can not tell us how to treat our neighbor.

  22. The Lord give our Lutheran chaplains strength as they deal with possible ramifications from preaching the full counsel of God- Law and Gospel.

    I wonder if Archbishop Obare’s sermon, if preached in the future by a military chaplain, would have any ramifications?

    “Another case is where you have followed your earthly lusts and the secularized world. You might have heard it from your peer group that you need to obey your feeling [rather] than obeying the good council of elders, parents etc even extending it to disobeying the church. You can enjoy alcohol even to the point of being drunk. You can cheat to your superiors, parents, pastor and even your spouse.

    As though this is not enough: You can follow homosexual or lesbian predispositions.

    Some church leaders may even tell that same sex life is a created predisposition; you don’t need to fight against it.

    “Brothers and sisters, sin is sin! God did institute from the beginning the lifelong marriage between a man and a woman! You can fight the good fight against homosexuality just as you can fight against other earthly lusts e.g. cheating, and other vices that came to us by the fall. Full joy, not just in our world, but also in heaven, for they who repent and in Christ, find their way back home. This home is heaven through the church.”


  23. Another way to put is that God is the one telling us to love our neighbors as ourselves. That is what makes it theological. It is not a principle derived from reason as the secular ethicists claim.

    This quote by Robert Jenson manifests this idea:

    “Fryer is certainly right in what is perhaps his chief contention. Contrary to common opinion, for Luther not only is the law ordered to the gospel but first and foremost the gospel is ordered to the law: God’s gospel-speaking fulfills itself precisely when it creates “Lust und Liebe zu alle Gebote Gottes.” Moreover, in the treatise on Christian liberty we discover — to many Lutherans’ surprise — that this particular Liebe and faith are the same thing, so that God’s commands belong to the object of faith.

    Finally in this exposition, by Gebote Gottes Luther meant something quite concrete, God’s speech in its mandating mode, as the church hears God so speak in Scripture. That Luther regarded the Gebote as more or less coterminous with natural law does not impinge on his understanding of the Gebote as God’s speech, since for him “natural law” did not mean what it means in modernity. Western modernity’s “natural law” is law that we discover for ourselves from observation, deduction, or an inner voice, and which we therefore must ourselves construe, necessarily from inside the historical process we inhabit. For Luther, that there is “natural law” and that the biblical commandments comport with it, meant simply that God can and does speak his commands by and to also those outside his covenant people, so that being addressed by God is “natural” to his creatures, and that commands so received may be expected to come out the same as the biblical commandments. Thus when Luther in his catechisms expounds the law for believers, he without further reflection lays out the Ten Commandments from Scripture, which is where the church turns to hear God speak. Accordingly, the Commandments are in the catechisms neither reduced to function — the “uses” indeed hardly appear — nor relativized by natural law.

    In the current Lutheran situation, antinomianism often results from the mistaken supposition that by “natural law” Luther means modernity’s “natural law,” with its basis in human autonomy and consequent inevitable historical variability. It is said that since the commandments are expressions of natural law which we discover, they must be subject to the historical variation which characterizes our law-finding. As Luther-interpretation, this is simply a boner. Moreover, law that we autonomously construe, according to how we judge our historical role, must eventually end up as no law at all. This is not only a theoretical point; it is also a description of Western modernity’s history.

    One may not — again insofar as I can figure Luther out — so concentrate on the functions of Scripture’s law as to relativize its content. “You shall not commit adultery” can have its “theological” and other functions only because adultery is in fact against the will of God, and because the appearance of this commandment in Scripture is God’s voice telling us that. Etc.”


    I look forward to reading “Natural Law: A Lutheran Reappraisal ‘ due to be released next month.

    http://www.cph.org/p-18350-natural-law-a-lutheran-reappraisal.aspx?SearchTerm=Natural Law: A Lutheran Reappraisal

  24. Pastor Tim Rossow :

    I am a good case in point. from fifth grade on I was educated in public schools. Get a load of this, in the middle of nowhere, in rural Iowa, in the late 60?s and early 70?s, I was brain-washed with liberal politics in the public schools. It took be a full twenty years to see the bias that had been planted in my brain.
    Say what you will, the fact remains, the best morality by which a people ought to govern itself, is the morality given us by God. Anything else, is less than right.

    Yes, growing up 50 miles west of you near Storm Lake, IA in a very rural area, the braining-washing of liberal politics was rampant. I am not sure I saw the bias before age 35, but I see it clearly now. Man can not create a morality for itself based on feelings.

  25. And some in my congregation wonder why I drive my son 25 miles one way to attend a Lutheran School!! It doesn’t matter what area you’re in, the liberal agenda is pushed in the public school system, and I don’t want my child (soon to be children) indoctrinated by it.

  26. I still think it is a little off to try to instruct parishioners how to vote or how to lobby their congressman. What business do I as pastor have with this? Now, I as an individual can and should be concerned with Kingdom of the Left things (especially as a citizen) – but should I use my Kingdom of Right office to try to influence the Kingdom of the Left? That’s a bit shaky for me.

    Of course, if this is what we are to do, my Lenten series on “Why You Should Join the Libertarian Party” could be a smashing hit >=o)

  27. In the Canadian Armed Forces you cannot even use the name Jesus Christ in closing prayer in the sense that He is the only God and only in Him is salvation from sin and eternal life and in no other.

    Of course no Chaplain should compromise his faith in the face of heretical theology and or Muslim or cultic chaplains including those of the Wicca type, even outright Satanism.

    But let us be cognizant of the truth of the ramifications of this repeal concerning Sodomite behavior and the protected status and promotion rights it will bring with them and the Sodomite clergy bound to follow in it’s train.

    This most heinous sin in the ranks of the Military will have the effect of real men and women seriously deciding to stay in the Military or to volunteer in the first place. Life in the Armed Services means forced living quarters in cramped conditions that cannot be opted out as we can do in the larger society.

    If you do not understand the Esprit de Corps of the Marines, as the Commandant of the Marines tried to make clear to Congress, then let me enlighten you as to the ‘tradition’ on which this branch and all branches operate under as a matter of course, i.e., as they must in order to train and fight and remain a military force.

    If you think basic morality, as has been revealed to us in the New Testament and based on the Ten Commandments, is not the heart and soul of what they do as a Military then you cannot understand how this decision will fundamentally effect ‘the fighting force’ of what we call fighting me, no matter what exceptions you can put forward, as this scene is totally different, it being official and therefore the full force of Military Law will be behind it.

    This decision will keep a great number of morally upright Bible believing men out the Military and weaken it’s resistance to behavior reminiscent of Fascist behavior of Left and Right militaries of history and in the world at present.

    The Homosexual Mafia is going to have a field day weeding out all opposition to Queer behavior and that includes Christian Chaplains, at least those who really are ‘Christian’, which excludes those of the ELCA ilk who confess Homosexuality to be a viable ‘third sex’.

    The dire consequences of this decision will be interesting, pay attention

  28. I think it is important to say that none of our LCMS chaplains can speak out openly about this on any public forum, such as this one. They operate under very strict regulations that prohibit them from commenting on any policy or decision made by the command structure of the U.S. Military, and that of course includes the highest commanders of the U.S. Military, the government.

    This is why you will not be reading anything from any LCMS chaplain, who is not retired from service.

    However, it is very important for folks to realize that President Harrison’s statement was prepared at the specific request of many of them, including the director of the LCMS Chaplaincy ministry, a retired military chaplain.

    These issues are very real and may well result in a drastic reduction in the number of chaplains serving in the military, since the greater majority of them are conservative Christians.

    It is a shame to see some confessional Lutherans assuming such a cavalier attitude about these issues and rather entirely missing the important issues involved in these matters.

  29. As a member of the military still on active duty I can tell you that there are ramifications beyond what has been debated, and beyond what President Harrison states.

    Several months ago, well before DADT was repealed, my commanding officer gathered the 1,500 people of his command together and told us: “If you have a problem with homosexual behavior, then you have a problem; you need help.” He then told us of a variety of counseling services available to help us get over our problem and assured us that he would do whatever it took to help us. I was stunned; here was my CO telling me that unless I embrace the homosexual lifestyle as valid and acceptable, then I was somehow in need of help.

    Within a week I confronted my commanding officer in a one-on-one meeting and told him bluntly that I had been deeply offended by his statement. I told him that my religious belief still held that homosexual behavior was a sin and inconsistent with God’s will; I could never accept it as moral. I told him that if DADT was repealed, that I could work alongside homosexuals in a professional capacity, just as I work alongside other sinners – myself included. They, after all, are also God’s children and I would treat them with the love, mercy, and respect they deserve, however, I would not condone their lifestyle just as I do not condone that of the adulterer or fornicator. He stated he understood and agreed he had made an error in judgment to say what he said, however, he never publicly recanted his statement.

    The military will proselytize for homosexuals. We will now be subjected to annual training that teaches us to accept our homosexual brothers & sisters in arms as normal. My CO’s attitude is reflective of what is going to be served up to our military members around the country. It’s an attitude that seeks to normalize sin.

    My annual performance evaluations already rate me on how well I embrace diversity and other cultures. I have no doubt that this will find its way into our evaluation to ensure that those who do not agree with the move are quickly denied advancement/promotion and are shuffled off to low profile positions until they can be ushered out of the military.

    The other impact of this law will be to reinvigorate the attack on marriage. Gay partners of military members will now lobby to receive the exact same benefits as their married counter-parts. This will mean that if they are stationed in a state that recognizes same-sex marriage, that when transferred to another state that does not recognize that marriage – the military will ensure they are still accorded all the benefits to which they were previously entitled. This will put pressure on the Federal government to come up with a national position on same-sex marriage.

    The passage of DADT’s repeal is much more insidious than the public has been led to believe. As members of the left hand kingdom it is our duty to vote/lobby for our best interests. As members of the right we should never stop praying that God’s will be done.

  30. @Coonberry #37
    The military will proselytize for homosexuals. We will now be subjected to annual training that teaches us to accept our homosexual brothers & sisters in arms as normal. My CO’s attitude is reflective of what is going to be served up to our military members around the country. It’s an attitude that seeks to normalize sin.

    Our schools have been doing that, via their “sex education” programs for more than 40 years. It is no accident that “young people are more accepting of homosexuality”. They’ve been carefully taught. [The same program teaches that sleeping around is normal and any sensible girl will abort an “accident”. Very profitable for “Planned Parenthood”!]

  31. You are right on about the ramifications of this repeal, as it has redefined marriage in the military, and it has ratified the whole agenda of the Homosexual Mafia.

    This reference to ‘Mental Instability’ on the part of those who do not accept and or tolerate this most heinous sin is only the beginning.@Coonberry #37

  32. @Rev. Don Kirchner #27
    > It is said that since the commandments are expressions of natural law which we discover, they must be subject to the historical variation which characterizes our law-finding. As Luther-interpretation, this is simply a boner. <


    "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

    And therein lies the rub. There is no shame anymore in baring in public that which is indeed shameful, i.e. that which since the fall begs covering lest others be harmed and tempted to sin, if not for the sake of being delivered from one's own sin.

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