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There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
@LadyM #22 And there are so many more examples of error that could have been used. It's our duty and responsibility according to scripture to attempt to call our erring brothers and sisters back when they stray. Failing to attempt a correction is nothing short of abandonment. Just imagine if we all maintained an "anything goes" attitude. Actually, you don't have to imagine very hard. Right ...
    Randy Yovanovich at Nov 27 2014 12:04 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Nathan, Thank you! I see now that my post "Theosis is Glorification" was missing a Bible verse that would have perfectly supported my point about the connection between sanctification and glorification. “And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:18). In this life we are being ...
    Eric Phillips at Nov 27 2014 12:00 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Jim, It's not "the Substance that God made" that becomes better in this life, it's "the Substance that God made, which then was ruined by sin." And the way it becomes better is by starting to return to wholeness--to the state of being simply "the Substance that God made," as at the beginning. And in the resurrection, when that process is completed by the power of God alone (resurrection is monergistic), then "the Substance that God made" will ...
    Eric Phillips at Nov 27 2014 11:48 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
@Pastor Tim Rossow #21 What is sad, is how many examples ACELC had to choose from to make their point on evidence of errors in our synod. ...
    LadyM at Nov 27 2014 11:37 am

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Before going back to read all the comments above let me try offering this. Do we agree on this? 1. Catechumens, both junior and adult, are instructed in the law of God as summarized in the 10 commandments and further summarized in the nearly intuitive saying of Jesus "love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself." By this instruction and with routine preaching of the law throughout the Church year, they learn ...
    Pastor Tim Rossow at Nov 27 2014 11:18 am

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
@Nathan #1 Nathan, I have a moment before our family festivities kick into full gear this fine thanksgiving day the Lord has provided! I hope you have a great day and don't spend it reading this thread. :) First, the disagreement I may have with Pr. Sonntag could be over describing sanctification as "synergism". While I agree that we cooperate with the Holy Spirit in our sanctification, I ...
    Jim Pierce at Nov 27 2014 10:29 am

Sermon -- Pr. Tony Sikora -- Faith, Thanksgiving, and Worship, a Leper's Journey
I listened to a wonderful proclamation of Christ on this text last night at my church. Thank you for giving me a wonderful read on it today as well. I am filled with thankfulness for the preachers and teachers who strive each day to bring the Truth to all of ...
    LadyM at Nov 27 2014 10:08 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
Seriously, Glad you pointed us back to the original point. Please go here and read this document before you say that we ought not to be pointing out each other's doctrinal faults. It is a heavy duty document but I think it will be helpful for you because it is loaded with Scripture, the Lutheran Confessions and Lutheran church fathers. Let me know what you think of ...
    Pastor Tim Rossow at Nov 27 2014 09:38 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
Seriously, Glad you are sticking around. Lutheranism 101 is a helpful book. I use it for our sixth grade confirmation text in our day school. (We have four years of pastor taught religion in our day school plus a pastor in all the lower grades doing 30 minutes a week of memory. The sixth grade class is on "The Culture of Lutheranism.") The book does have some weak points however and the section on worship is one of them. The Lutheran ...
    Pastor Tim Rossow at Nov 27 2014 09:35 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
@Rev. Robert Mayes #17 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! We agree on the awesome gift that Hymns are. I think its why you see so many contemporary song writers coming back to sing them today. They have a unifying power of history and simple truth to them that is irreplaceable. That being said, I think there are tons of assumptions made about what contemporary praise and worship artists believe ...
    Srsly? at Nov 27 2014 09:06 am

"A Very Ferguson Thanksgiving" (Sermon on Habakkuk 1:2-4, 9-11; 3:17-19; by Pr. Charles Henrickson)
Excellent - see also ...
    John Rixe at Nov 27 2014 08:35 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
@Martin R. Noland #15 As to Starke’s role in selection, people might be confusing the committee-persons’ job with the Commission on Worship and their staff’s jobs. The committee people do the work; the Commission and staff make the decisions. Starke was on the committee, not the Commission. In view of Pr. Noland's explanation, I'll make the apology you requested, Pr. Mueller. "Starke ...
    helen at Nov 27 2014 08:02 am

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
Is this the same New York Times that published the Ferguson policeman's address? OK, I can play the moral equivalency game, ...
    Joe Strieter at Nov 27 2014 07:44 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
@Srsly? #16 Hi Seriously. I am glad - honestly glad - that you are willing to stick around. It is not an easy thing to speak on a thread when you are the only one voicing your view, and there are lots of other people who are quite frankly being rude to you. Thank you for being willing to discuss further. I will attempt to speak in a way that enables us to further the conversation. Happy ...
    Rev. Robert Mayes at Nov 27 2014 07:05 am

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Jim, I think it is helpful to make clear and to establish that you at least (Pastor Rossow and T.R.?) disagree with Pastors Sonntag and Marquart over how to deal with the matter of sanctification as regards teaching and preaching. I spoke with my pastor last night and he was at that symposium in 2005 and he said that Marquart’s speech was actually not well received. I remember listening to it live, loving it and rejoicing in it (how ...
    Nathan at Nov 27 2014 05:19 am

"A Very Ferguson Thanksgiving" (Sermon on Habakkuk 1:2-4, 9-11; 3:17-19; by Pr. Charles Henrickson)
Great ...
    Carol Broome at Nov 27 2014 01:45 am

There is no Greater Rush than Chanting Shalom at the 5/2 Wiki Conference, by Pr. Rossow
"Pax tecum" - peace be with you... its hard to pass peace if you don't have it yourself, Jeff. Take a blood pressure pill before you stroke out, my friend! Lol! As not ALL on this forum are intent on labeling me heretic, I guess I'll stick around a bit longer. I was raised in liturgy, with intensive confirmation classes, and confessed my faith. Explain how it is impossible for contemporary artists to also be Lutheran and write music to ...
    Srsly? at Nov 27 2014 01:17 am

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
You state in your essay that there was "no, Christ and Him crucified was not mentioned accept in passing." If you are really honest you would have to say that there is more, "Christ and Him crucified" at a Sunday and daily Mass at a Catholic Church than at least 99 percent of churches that are out ...
    Lloyd Cadle at Nov 26 2014 11:32 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
@jeff #28 This is the founder of LCMS in America. Certainly he did not think the Sermon on the Mount or Love thy neighbor was binding on him. Depends on what you mean by, "Love thy neighbor.", I should think. The Bible several places suggests contentment whether slave or free. Don't load too much on Walther's back. He had to survive the Anglos who surrounded him in Missouri. You all set ...
    helen at Nov 26 2014 10:37 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
@jeff #28 Walther did greatly offend Lutherans in Minnesota and Wisconsin who withdrew their sons from the St. Louis seminary. I went to school with Norwegians from Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa, whose grandfathers went to St Louis seminary because they didn't have one of their own, a situation rectified in 1861. They didn't mention "offense"; they talked about not wanting to get shot at, (by ...
    helen at Nov 26 2014 10:04 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Eric Phillips : Jim, You are misrepresenting us. Nobody has said “somehow, or another, the substance that God made becomes better.” What I have said is that our fallen substance becomes more what God made. And that does start before the resurrection, but only because of the resurrection. We die and are raised again in Holy Baptism. Now-but-not-yet. Well, I certainly am not intentionally ...
    Jim Pierce at Nov 26 2014 07:38 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
Jeff, Tim's a big boy and has spoken for himself. You will notice that in making my point that anger can be edifying and productive, I never once cited an LCMS Christian, nor at all brought up the subject of slavery in America. (Wilberforce, in case you did not know, whas English and successfully fought to ban African slavery in the British Empire.). I honestly am having a hard time connecting your dots & notice you still have not ...
    Marc from Cincy at Nov 26 2014 07:27 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
@jeff #28 Faulty ad hominem argument. Walther may or may not have been pro-slavery, but it does not follow that he was wrong about everything else. Look through history, and you will find many pastors and theologians, orthodox and otherwise, who still had sins. But what you're suggesting is akin to saying you know nothing about sports at all if you happen to be watching football and wrongly ...
    J. Dean at Nov 26 2014 06:37 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
I understand that Pelagius was rather winsome and persuasive, but he was dead wrong. The JW's and Mormons who came to my door were also quite pleasant company, and even more wrong than Pelagius. While God doesn't give us license to behave like the half of the horse what don't eat, Gospel Truth cum confidence that the Word will not return void should be what matters most to ...
    Kirk Skeptic at Nov 26 2014 06:16 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
@T. R. Halvorson #45 TR, You say, I can’t accept the difference between the resurrection and sanctification in the narrow sense as being only terminological. The terminology I'm talking about is "theosis" and related words, so the "gap" I am talking about is the difference you seem to perceive between "theosis" and "glorification." There are two questions here: 1) Is glorification ...
    Eric Phillips at Nov 26 2014 06:07 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
Jim, You are misrepresenting us. Nobody has said "somehow, or another, the substance that God made becomes better." What I have said is that our fallen substance becomes more what God made. And that does start before the resurrection, but only because of the resurrection. We die and are raised again in Holy Baptism. Now-but-not-yet. Also, no one has engaged in "talk of the accident somehow being rehabilitated over time through good works." ...
    Eric Phillips at Nov 26 2014 05:58 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
Marc , talk about slavery and letting your light shine CFW Walther and Slavery New York Times « on: December 13, 2012, Another German reactionary was CFW Walther who was the founding father of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. Walther defended slavery using arguments from the Southern slavery apologists. He sided with the Confederate side in the 1861 St. Louis arsenal conflict. Walther did not raise the stars and bars, ...
    jeff at Nov 26 2014 05:06 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
@Nathan #46 Nathan, I appreciate your questions. Speaking for myself, I am not "coming around" to Pr. Sonntag's view. I confess the third use of the law as found in our Lutheran confession (I am not saying Pr. Sonntag doesn't). I also agree with Walther that we should rightly divide the word of truth into law and gospel when preaching, and not muddle the two together. Furthermore, when preaching ...
    Jim Pierce at Nov 26 2014 04:52 pm

Rick Warren Provides Definitive Clarification of “Sacramental Entrepreneur”
@Darryl Cedergren #9 "Where is evangelism in that list?" #1,2,3,6 -- that's how I was ...
    Abby at Nov 26 2014 04:51 pm

My Plea: Recognize Theosis
All, Was able to grab a few more minutes.... T.R. Here is what you asked Pastor Sonntag, now me ["Okay, what about you? Talking about his private reason for not answering isn’t the same thing as you answering"]): "Can the church teach your [Pastor Sonntag's] view of the Decalogue and your [Pastor Sonntag's] view of sanctification without employing the/a concept of theosis?" Keep in mind I just wrote this: “To suggest that a real ...
    Nathan at Nov 26 2014 04:22 pm