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Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
Great words, Pastor Abrahamson. Anyone who posts on their FB page should do just as you recommend. You/BJS may always use whatever I post. However, apparently the FiveTwo folks completely cut me off, as I no longer have the "comment" feature available on their FB page. I am persona non grata........ Apparently, they aren't interested in discussing their beliefs and practices. ...
    Randy at Oct 24 2014 11:14 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
You would've thought they would pre-emptively ban Rosebrough and ...
    Rev. George Naylor at Oct 24 2014 11:13 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
Looks like Chris Rosebrough just got deleted as ...
    Joe Abrahamson at Oct 24 2014 11:07 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
@Randy #9 Randy, some of your other comments have been deleted also. Next time you comment please do a screen capture after they are published. Save it to google photos or flickr or something like that, and let us have the link if you are willing to have us use ...
    Joe Abrahamson at Oct 24 2014 11:04 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
@Joe Abrahamson #7 Pastor Abrahamson, That's it! I can't believe you got it before it was deleted. Thank ...
    Randy at Oct 24 2014 10:59 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
@Randy #4 This one? click ...
    Joe Abrahamson at Oct 24 2014 10:53 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
“A man who first tried to guess 'what the public wants,' and then preached that as Christianity because the public wants it, would be a pretty mixture of fool and knave” ― C.S. Lewis, Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on ...
    Abby at Oct 24 2014 09:28 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
The problem is, if the 5/2 group is not removed from Lutheranism, it will continue to corrupt ...
    J. Dean at Oct 24 2014 08:49 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
But my question as posted on Joshua's FB page: will they ever see any discipline from Synodical Officers? My thought ...
    Roger D. Sterle at Oct 24 2014 08:17 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
Tell me about it. I've tried twice to comment on their top post (The one with the quote attributed to Luther at the Diet of Worms/1521) and both times they deleted my comments. In a nutshell, I pointed out that they quote Luther, but failed to recognize the context. Ironically, the quote is attributed to Luther standing steadfast to scripture and his confession. Yet, they contradict the confessions regarding the Office of Holy Ministry. ...
    Randy at Oct 24 2014 07:50 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
Article XXIV (XII): Of the Mass. At the outset we must again make the preliminary statement that we 1] do not abolish the Mass, but religiously maintain and defend it. For among us masses are celebrated every Lord’s Day and on the other festivals, in which the Sacrament is offered to those who wish to use it, after they have been examined and absolved. And the usual public ceremonies are observed, the series of lessons, of prayers, vestments, ...
    Fr. Brandon Jones at Oct 24 2014 07:49 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
It is, at once, both a glorious time to be a Confessional Lutheran . . . And the worst of times for the Church. Then again, that has always been the ...
    jb at Oct 24 2014 07:17 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
Matt Mills : (My pastor usually adds “just like Chicago.”) ROFL Good one, Matt. ...
    Jason at Oct 24 2014 06:41 pm

Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog - DP's, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2'ers or BJS'ers? by Pr. Rossow
Hmm, sounds like OWN. (Ordain Women Now) On their Facebook page, they have massively deleted posts, especially when it has been faithful women like Dcs. Kim Schave who would argue against their polemics. I guess since 5/2 also operates under an innovative type paradigm, maybe it's not too surprising they also practice similar results. Kinda hypocritical of them. 5/2 brags about haters will hate, almost like they dare us to challenge them. ...
    Jason at Oct 24 2014 06:33 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@John Rixe #12 Most of the ordinaries and propers in DS3 have remained unchanged for over 1,200 years John, (and some of them for over 2,000.) To quote Chesterton: “Tradition means giving a vote to most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. ... Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. ...
    Matt Mills at Oct 24 2014 06:28 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
It is remarkable that DS3, at least, has remained unchanged for 73 ...
    John Rixe at Oct 24 2014 05:44 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. #10 I'm not a writer for this website, but I have a suggestion. We should talk like Lutherans. We should "follow the pattern of sound words." Talk like our confessions and liturgy talk. Avoid rewording the catechism and liturgy every few years, that we "all speak the same ...
    R.D. at Oct 24 2014 05:31 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@Pastor Tim Rossow #8 OK, with that said, challenge to the BJS writers. How do we talk like old time Lutherans from the 50's? Perhaps an article on "Confessional Publicity of God's Word" If there is such a ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Oct 24 2014 02:54 pm

#Wiki14 / @FiveTwo – The Data Speaks, Part Two
"It is very clear that 5/2 and its brethren only do church for unbelievers. Once you are a “believer” (and the means of grace is very much up in the air), you have to be a leader or an apprentice with the function of finding new unbelievers." Tim Wood #16 I was studying my way through the article on Election & Predestination in the Solid Declaration yesterday, and in the context of "once saved, always saved" and how/where Chemnitz et ...
    Grendelssohn at Oct 24 2014 02:53 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@Pastor Tim Rossow #8 Point taken. Publicize will be ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Oct 24 2014 02:45 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
Rev. Prentice and Matt, I think it is healthy to talk like the old time Lutherans from the 50's. They had Publicity Committees but no Marketing Committees. There is nothing wrong with publicizing the Divine Service and even doing it with the best of quality that you can afford. Marketing the Divine Service however, suggests spin and ...
    Pastor Tim Rossow at Oct 24 2014 02:38 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. #6 The problem w/ that Pastor, is that you are putting forward something in addition to Word and Sacrament ministry by which the lost are saved. It doesn't fit w/ AC V. If AC V is part of the "doctrinal product" then any action taken on the premise that one can make Word and Sacrament ministry more or less effective by "marketing" has definitely changed our ...
    Matt Mills at Oct 24 2014 02:34 pm

#Wiki14 / @FiveTwo – The Data Speaks, Part Two
Tim Schenks : J. Dean :Question: is there any Lutheran book which specifically addresses this issue? Exodus 32 :D As true and relevant as that passage is... and it is indeed...I was thinking that directly addressed said movements in the LCMS, Tim. But your citation of the golden calf passage does indeed have application. Say, here's a ...
    J. Dean at Oct 24 2014 02:33 pm

True Love is Built on Doctrine!
@Ted Crandall #29 Yes, yes...I perhaps am trying to be a bit "street". I will watch ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Oct 24 2014 02:15 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
@Matt Mills #4 I humbly disagree, a bit. We are faithful to the calling, yet we are to be effective in our delivery of the duties in the office we hold. We are to be effective and use God given skills to (as other threads have said) the best of our ability. Paul talks a bunch about that. Yet as faithful entrepreneurs, we CANNOT change the doctrine or product (the Word); we can be effective in ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Oct 24 2014 02:12 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
Matt, Good point. Be leery for sure. I may be equivocating a bit between entrepreneur and creative to make my point. It is probably better to say that a pastor may have a creative flair. But even still, creativity ought to never be the hallmark of a pastor. Conservatism (faithful) is the ...
    Pastor Tim Rossow at Oct 24 2014 01:32 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
Dear Pastor Rossow, I'm a touch leery here, though I may be thinking too hard. From my perspective, the problem w/ "entrepreneurship" in the pastoral ministry is that it asks the wrong question, and sets the wrong goals. Entrepreneurs "succeed" by being "effective;" Pastors are called to be "faithful" not effective. Win or lose, grow or shrink; praise, jail or cross your job doesn't change. Entrepreneurship seems to make an ...
    Matt Mills at Oct 24 2014 01:26 pm

A Congregation of Hypocrites and Evil Persons
@Anthony #19 Prayers for all the faithful to discern the mixed messages, that God's Word continue to be proclaimed, and that you, Anthony, may be supported. So sorry that you are going through this, but through this may your faith ever grow ...
    LadyM at Oct 24 2014 01:17 pm

True Love is Built on Doctrine!
helen :As someone said, as long as they identify themselves as LCMS, those of that ilk represent the synod... Yes... And those who identify themselves as Lutheran represent the Lutheran faith. I can't tell you how often I have to explain that we don't ordain ...
    Ted Crandall at Oct 24 2014 12:59 pm

I Applaud Mr. 5/2 Bill Woolsey, No, Really I Do, by Pr. Rossow
Dear Pastor Rossow, Thanks for your balanced and fair analysis of this issue. I agree with what you have written. You personally are a great model of how a pastor can be both entrepreneurial and also faithful to our Lutheran Confessions and Scripture. As you note, President Harrison gets kudos for that also with his housing project work in Fort Wayne, before he became Director of LCMS Human Care and World Relief. Yours in Christ, Martin ...
    Martin R. Noland at Oct 24 2014 11:52 am