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ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Good post, ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 10:12 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
We would lose the vast majority of the LCMS. How many members would I lose if I encouraged the men to take the spiritual reins of their homes and teach their wives and children Luther's catechism? Until that happens, though, we don't have a snowball's chance of achieving real unity on a single controverted issue. The spirituality of the home is essential to good pastor-congregation ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 10:10 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Lifelong Lutheran #14 I think you could be right. I also think that the "well-over half" "we" would "lose" would be unfortunate and an indication of an un-lutheran spirit among them no matter how lifelong they are. Think about it. They couldn't get over themselves long enough to learn the history behind women's suffrage let alone humbly submit themselves to God's word. You can't get more ...
    R.D. at Aug 30 2014 10:02 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
I think that if you were to prohibit women's sufferage you would lose well over half of the congregations in the LCMS. What do others think about ...
    Lifelong Lutheran at Aug 30 2014 09:32 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Rev. Richard A. Bolland : If the theology the ACELC is putting forward is orthodox, and if our Synod truly does need reform, then on what basis would other orthodox Lutheran pastors NOT be a part of our effort? My own personal observation is that the desire to continue practicing unionism and open communion (the same thing?) drives most pastors in the LCMS who condemn the ...
    Ted Crandall at Aug 30 2014 08:38 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Thanks, Ryan. I agree that ACELC is not the only representative of orthodoxy in the LCMS. My argument is that it represents that orthodoxy which unites us. If I tell the truth, you must agree with me, and the truth is the "third thing" between us. But what makes the ACELC so unique among all of us who tell the truth is their formula: they clearly identify the line of division and then state the pertinent truth. Conceivably, there isn't a single ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 07:21 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Follow up thoughts: 1. Do we think that error will correct itself in the LCMS? 2. Do we think that the Synodical bureaucracy will correct/resolve these matters in such a fashion that those who do not go along with that which is orthodox will either leave or be removed from the Synod, or will they resolve these matters in such fashion that we will continue to tolerate the errors that are officially repudiated as we have been doing for ...
    Rev. Richard A. Bolland at Aug 30 2014 06:24 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
David, Thanks for your positive analysis and logic of the situation vis-a-vis the ACELC. I agree with your conclusion obviously, but you have brought up a very important point: If the theology the ACELC is putting forward is orthodox, and if our Synod truly does need reform, then on what basis would other orthodox Lutheran pastors NOT be a part of our ...
    Rev. Richard A. Bolland at Aug 30 2014 06:07 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Helen, The origin of the quote (and there are a couple of different versions of it) is Rev. Steven Carter, former head of CPH, and former professor at Fort Wayne. I think he doesn't like ...
    Rev. Richard A. Bolland at Aug 30 2014 06:04 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@David Preus #5 Please bear with me as I may be misreading the statements: "1. God requires orthodox congregations to be in fellowship with each other (See Eph. 4:1-6; 1 John 1:5-7)." True "2. The ACELC represents that orthodoxy by which one orthodox LCMS congregation is in fellowship with another (See ACELC Admonition & Error Documents)." True, but not the only representative of ...
    R.D. at Aug 30 2014 05:02 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Tim Schenks #1 “If the study of doctrine is not the number one priority at synodical conventions, then one of two things will happen: Either the convention will be manufacturing laws, or even worse, it will degenerate into an affair of mutual praise, love, assurance, and life insurance.” (At Home in the House of My Fathers, Pg. 301, Walther-Duties of an Evangelical Lutheran Synod) Thank you, ...
    helen at Aug 30 2014 04:14 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Rev. Richard A. Bolland #2 “Black snakes in the bedroom who need to be thrown out of the house.” I thought that was an interesting statement when it was first made. [by our erstwhile SP, wasn't it?] Generally considered benign, Black snakes indicate the presence of rats (and other rodents). Recommended control: "Get rid of the rodents." ;) (Texans are more familiar with ...
    helen at Aug 30 2014 04:02 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Ryan, it's my own assertion that should be debated on the basis of God's Word and the written statements of the ACELC. If it's false, I'll abandon it. If it's true, then we should join the ACELC. This premise alone, whether it is true or false, does not require any action. Only when it is joined to the first premise does it push the ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 03:42 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@David Preus #3 Pr. Preus, Please explain how you arrive at this statement: "The ACELC represents that orthodoxy by which one orthodox LCMS congregation is in fellowship with another (See ACELC Admonition & Error Documents)" Is this an assertion made in the ACELC documents? Is this your synthesis of the documents? Thank you in ...
    R.D. at Aug 30 2014 03:30 pm

Why I'm Optimistic About the LC--MS
Excellent post. Thank you for this ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 03:29 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
To join or not to join the ACELC? Here is the syllogism I have in mind: 1. God requires orthodox congregations to be in fellowship with each other (See Eph. 4:1-6; 1 John 1:5-7). 2. The ACELC represents that orthodoxy by which one orthodox LCMS congregation is in fellowship with another (See ACELC Admonition & Error Documents). 3. God requires all orthodox congregations in the LCMS to join the ACELC. Two points: (1) Before you debate the ...
    David Preus at Aug 30 2014 02:50 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
In the days of the Prussian Union the term associated with those who wished to retain Lutheran doctrine and practice were termed "Old Lutherans". It was an epithet applied by those who promoted the union and not a complement but referred to those under the Union who would not go along with the forced union between Calvinists and Lutherans. They were the "legalists", the "fuddy-duddies", the "stick-in-the-muds" who wouldn't conform to the ...
    Rev. Richard A. Bolland at Aug 30 2014 09:32 am

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
helen :@Joe Krohn #34 “The debate, or lack thereof in our Synod, is to my observation held back from serious consideration or conclusion, because no one is sure whether the Synod bureaucracy will survive expelling the Enthusiasts. ”Bingo. Didn’t Walther have something pointed to say about putting concern for the health of the bureaucracy ahead of ...
    Tim Schenks at Aug 30 2014 08:07 am

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Rev. Drew Newman #38 I realize that every concern could not be covered in detail in this video. My point is that our current situation is not entirely due to lack of corrective action, but there are many (too many) who believe the errors they commit are correct and therefore no correction is warranted. The video seemed to imply that it was just too much trouble and therefor nothing was done. In ...
    Rev. James Kuskoi at Aug 30 2014 07:52 am

Why I'm Optimistic About the LC--MS
Dr. Noland, thank you for mentioning Dr. Matthew Phillips in your article. He is an outstanding historian and very fine theologian in his own right. We are very blessed to have him as one of our elders here at Good Shepherd! In Christ, ...
    Rev. Clint K. Poppe at Aug 30 2014 06:53 am

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
QUOTE OF THE DAY Pastor Rick Pettey : This is NOT some academic, ivory-tower issue... this... is about the eternal salvation of souls. ...
    Ted Crandall at Aug 30 2014 06:15 am

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Joe Krohn #34 “The debate, or lack thereof in our Synod, is to my observation held back from serious consideration or conclusion, because no one is sure whether the Synod bureaucracy will survive expelling the Enthusiasts. ” Bingo. Didn't Walther have something pointed to say about putting concern for the health of the bureaucracy ahead of teaching the pure doctrine? [Where is CarlVehse ...
    helen at Aug 30 2014 04:13 am

Remembering Robert
It is interesting to read Carl Braaten’s memoirs. He has a lot of regrets too; one of those being the fact that the ALC and LCA decided to admit the Seminex faculty into LSTC and other former ALC/LCA faculties. Yet Braaten was "home grown", wasn't he? You're writing about the Carl Braaten, who wrote elca's "Dogmatics" with Robert Jenson, also "home grown"? I haven't seen a reason for them to blame Seminex faculty for their education! They ...
    helen at Aug 30 2014 03:38 am

Steadfast Media Pick of the Week -- Atheists Read the Bible
Yesterday's "youtube" video from Rev. Fisk is called "A crazy crazy response to Pen Gillette...", an atheist who is talking about "crazy Mormons" and "crazy ...
    helen at Aug 30 2014 02:42 am

Why I'm Optimistic About the LC--MS
This article made my day. It is so easy to get discouraged by the rampant pietism and lack of a clear understanding of the Gospel that is so prevalent in many places. But I suppose we should expect nothing else in a church full of sinners, and the bright lights are good indicators that Christ is building His church despite our ...
    Miguel at Aug 29 2014 11:13 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
@Rev. Drew Newman #46 Rev. Newman, Point we'll made. I am in exactly that situation. Those who believe that the "majority" of LCMS churches are confessional need to remember the definition of "majority." Majority can be as low as ...
    Randy at Aug 29 2014 09:40 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. : @Rev. Drew Newman #38 Since you are online… I a few times did bring concerns to the DP, but in reality, it was said, “call the brother in error.” As a fellow Pastor, I can call them out, DP’s are not pastors (most at this time). ACELC is pastors and the congregations, you can privately call-out, and even ...
    Rev. Drew Newman at Aug 29 2014 09:21 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Green : I once attended an ELCA church, and their path is why I left that church two decades ago. Their path was clear then. I do not see the LCMS on that type of pathway. Every Christian has a responsibility to know scripture, lest you be unable to recognize false prophets. Worth ...
    John Rixe at Aug 29 2014 06:58 pm

Why I'm Optimistic About the LC--MS
Excellent article. I'm reminded of the old adage: "Passing up the good in a futile quest for the perfect." (Of course we should continue to encourage constructive improvement, ...
    John Rixe at Aug 29 2014 06:41 pm

ACELC -- If Not Now, When?
Some very good theologians have obviously spent a great deal of time on this project. There are some great educational materials on the ACELC website. But I have to say, as I sit in my beloved and I believe faithful church, I fear the posse riding over the hill looking for perceived equivocation. I once attended an ELCA church, and their path is why I left that church two decades ago. Their path was clear then. I do not see the LCMS on that ...
    Green at Aug 29 2014 06:35 pm