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The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
@J. Dean #6 Admittedly this is not agreed across the board by Christians, but I’ve heard many teach (and I think there’s some credence to this) that the tithe as a strict ten percent is not taught as a command to New Testament Christians. Having said that, I certainly don’t believe that this is an excuse to be skimpy in financial support. The tithe was only the beginning of OT giving. It ...
    helen at Dec 19 2014 09:02 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. : @J. Dean #2 Now where did you come up with “it is done away with?” Admittedly this is not agreed across the board by Christians, but I've heard many teach (and I think there's some credence to this) that the tithe as a strict ten percent is not taught as a command to New Testament Christians. Having said that, ...
    J. Dean at Dec 19 2014 08:17 pm

Contending for Creches and Crucifixes
Oh yeah. If you want to have a really "fun" argument (read: sarcasm), talk to a die-hard Calvinist/Puritan about images like crucifixes. Extreme ...
    J. Dean at Dec 19 2014 08:15 pm

Great Stuff -- Creches and Crucifixes
Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. :Hmmm,Just the opposite I thought. Evangelicals dislike the crucifix. We Lutherans love the crucifix for all the reasons stated.Evangelicals say, “Jesus is off of the cross.” We agree, but He had to hang on it.My favorite pastoral “neck cross” is a crucifix. As for the Church, got a few around. But I do want to purchase a nice one for processions. In reality, ...
    A Layman at Dec 19 2014 07:48 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
Working in gift planning the last 16 years, I can't begin to count the number of estate givers I've worked with who never considered a planned gift to their church, while planning gifts to my secular institution. Why? All they heard from their church leadership was about giving in the collection plate each Sunday. Keep in mind that just one properly planned, deferred-gift can easily eclipse all the cash offerings a parish receives in a ...
    Marc from Cincy at Dec 19 2014 06:54 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
Vanessa, Great post as always! Confessional pastor's work their tails off to provide a Word and Sacrament ministry to us. There is little thanks for their efforts and the sacrifices their wonderful families make. We need to take care of each and every one of them since they ultimately provide us with doctrine and practice that's necessary for our faith. To each and every confessional pastor - THANK YOU. To each and every pew-sitter: ...
    Randy Yovanovich at Dec 19 2014 06:30 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
Jon Alan Schmidt (aletheist) : I apologize for the duplicate comment above; I was just trying to change my moniker here, since I understand that some take exception to using anything other than one’s real name. I, for one, am thankful to make your acquaintance, Jon! It is nice to interact with people who are willing to put a recognizable name along with their comments. And believe you me ...
    Jim Pierce at Dec 19 2014 05:11 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
Rev. Jakob Fjellander: Laymen adhering to false doctrine should be treated as false teachers. Or do you mean that it is ok for laymen to spread false doctrine but not for clergy? No, but in context, Ap VII:47-50 is talking specifically about priests/pastors. Rev. Jakob Fjellander: Yes, they all ...
    Jon Alan Schmidt (aletheist) at Dec 19 2014 04:12 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
@J. Dean #2 Now where did you come up with "it is done away ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 03:42 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
Truth, and an apt dosage of needed law. Just because the Old Testament tithe is done away with does not mean the New Testament church should be ...
    J. Dean at Dec 19 2014 03:17 pm

Why I joined the ACELC.
@Drew Newman #9 Dear Pastor Newman, I applaud your honesty about the route you took. I sometimes do think, "God will not be fooled" by men sneaking in through easier methods. God has a way of testing and forming the man who does this. And in my case, I "sometimes" wrestle with God, "why did He not call me earlier?" Well, God has a plan for all. My case, "perhaps", get the monies portion out ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 03:06 pm

Why I joined the ACELC.
FWIW, had the DELTO program been available when I went to the Seminary I may have gone that route, because frankly, when I started the Seminary I didn't see the value of spending all that time and money uprooting the family, moving, etc. I came in under what they called the "Non-Degree Program" - where men who were older were allowed to enroll in the Seminary without a full undergraduate degree. I had the equivalent of an AA when I started, and ...
    Drew Newman at Dec 19 2014 02:57 pm

Great Stuff -- Creches and Crucifixes
Hmmm, Just the opposite I thought. Evangelicals dislike the crucifix. We Lutherans love the crucifix for all the reasons stated. Evangelicals say, "Jesus is off of the cross." We agree, but He had to hang on it. My favorite pastoral "neck cross" is a crucifix. As for the Church, got a few around. But I do want to purchase a nice one for processions. In reality, I think some, especially older thought, "I don't need a crucifix, that is a ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 02:25 pm

The Church in Need - A Hard Look at Giving - Guest post by Vanessa
The best motivation for giving to the Lord is our love for Him. We love Him, because He first Loved us. As we look at the crucified Christ we see His love demonstrated for us on the cross as he died to forgive our sins. As we give a sacrificial offering to the Lord each week in the offering plate we can demonstrate our love for Him. For some 10 percent of their weekly income is a sacrificial offering, for others it might be 12 or 15 ...
    Pastor Dave Likeness at Dec 19 2014 01:42 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@Jon Alan Schmidt (aletheist) #28 @ point 2: Ap VII:48 is specifically about “impious teachers,” not ordinary parishioners, Laymen adhering to false doctrine should be treated as false teachers. Or do you mean that it is ok for laymen to spread false doctrine but not for clergy? and all of the church bodies listed here presumably subscribe to the FC and the other contents of the BoC; so ...
    Rev. Jakob Fjellander at Dec 19 2014 12:57 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@Rev. Jakob Fjellander #33 Dear Rev. Fjellander, High five I would if I could for you. When a pastor stops caring, stops digging into and understanding God's Law, time to walk away and simply enjoy the fruits of being Saved by Christ at the Cross with all the other saints on ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 12:44 pm

Why I joined the ACELC.
@LadyM #7 Dear LadyM, Thank you for the kind words, I cherish your high regard for the office of pastor and the men who serve it. Yes, we may be at a "logger-head" a bit, but I do think we needed DELTO and other alternate routes. Special use, should be exceptional, such as the Church I serve. We cannot afford a full-time man, oh perhaps for a 2-3 year burst and then, "God will decide." In ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 12:40 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@Jon Alan Schmidt (aletheist) #28 Saving faith, repentance, and affirmation of the Real Presence (as Lutherans understand it) are sufficient for worthiness. Separated from the fellowship issue: Yes. Christians with saving faith, repentance, and affirmation of the Real Presence should commune even in their own heretic church bodies as long as they believe they belong to an orthodox church. As ...
    Rev. Jakob Fjellander at Dec 19 2014 12:32 pm

Why I joined the ACELC.
I personally, and I do not speak for anyone else, but I personally believe that such programs, beginning with DELTO, have led directly into the abhorrent practice of lay ministers. The shortage of ministers we heard about in the seventies and eighties has disappeared, yet there are many good, solid CRM men who await a call. Did we truly need DELTO, or was this a good way to lead our church into that "everyone a minister" error? Pr. Prentice, ...
    LadyM at Dec 19 2014 12:24 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. #31 01) All pastors that take their call as a call from God do the best they can in a fallen world. We use all the training and rules we have to make our decisions. Yes, you are right. And also: those pastors don't take the word of God lightly, but strive day after day to reach deeper and deeper into the truths of the ...
    Rev. Jakob Fjellander at Dec 19 2014 12:18 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@helen #29 Having said all that, unless one is going to be away for an extended period, there is no reason to commune away from your home church. If you have one. With all respect for your situation in the LCMS, I think this is sad. It seems like an "emergency solution" in the LCMS, because of the heresy flourishing within yor own denomination. If you're on a journey and happens to be near a ...
    Rev. Jakob Fjellander at Dec 19 2014 12:14 pm

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
In the end: 01) All pastors that take their call as a call from God do the best they can in a fallen world. We use all the training and rules we have to make our decisions. 02) We practice "pastoral discretion" at the Holy Meal, along side whatever communion statement we have. Look mine up, none better (just kidding, but it is pretty good.) 03) Alongside pastoral discretion, we "may" make decisions that go contrary to policy, and that is JUST ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 11:33 am

Why I joined the ACELC.
@Drew Newman #2 Dear Pastor Newman, In the end, it is about serving with a proper call, and that includes ordination. Yes, emergency reasons do allow for the office to be filled when no ordained men are available, but that has been abused, and when a man is available, even via a Circuit Rider kind of program, the emergency should go away. We practice a polity and tradition that says, only ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 11:20 am

Smiley Face - Official Newspaper of the LCMS
@helen #13 Dear Helen, Remember what is behind ALL men and women that error or stray, or just plain sin, many times Satan, that clever rascal. Jesus rebuked Satan, not Peter when Peter in Matthew 16:22-24, doubted the words of the Lord leading to the cross. And tough for all of us, we MUST and SHOULD pray for all leaders, pastors, people, that are part of this Church, that the Lord keeps ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 10:39 am

Why I joined the ACELC.
@John Rixe #3 I do not think a list is going to come. If I join up with ACELC, I will make sure these kind of things are not part of an admonition. The language would be "We believe some men are still serving after failing to complete their DELTO or SMP coursework." I believe that would be ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 10:30 am

Why I joined the ACELC.
@Rev. Clint K. Poppe #50 Dear Pastor Poppe, Thanks for clarifying. So basically: 01) DELTO was never the problem, DELTO was a solid and good program. We should have stuck with it, but SMP is morphing. Would have been nice to get academic credit for DELTO work, you can with SMP. 02) The Districts that abused the men and the men that accepted the Lay Ministry serving the Sacrament were in ...
    Pastor David L. Prentice Jr. at Dec 19 2014 10:26 am

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@helen #29 "Having said all that, unless one is going to be away for an extended period, there is no reason to commune away from your home church. If you have one." Helen, I think your point here takes all the heat out of this argument, particularly for the vast majority of temporary travelers out there. While we may desire to have weekly (or perhaps even more frequent) Communion, there ...
    Brad at Dec 19 2014 10:05 am

Eighth Commandment Cluster Bombing
@Lifelong Lutheran #7 You are absolutely right. When I was 'warned' in public (see #6 on first page) the law came down on me very hard. For days afterward I couldn't figure out what I had said that warranted the rebuke. Ironically, I hadn't committed a sin against the 8th commandment in the incident I cited, but I sure was guilty after the fact because of all my ruminations! We are all guilty of ...
    Diane at Dec 19 2014 10:00 am

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
@John Rixe #5 Are these church bodies heterodox? Any spin-off of elca which continues to ordain women might be assumed to have other problems as well. But the women in the pulpit would keep me away. [I don't know which of your list fit this.] I have had WELS tell me I would not be welcome at communion unless I joined. I did not expect it, (but I did not expect them to be using our forerunner to ...
    helen at Dec 19 2014 08:45 am

"Inviting Some and Keeping Back Others": Who is Welcome to the Lord's Table?
For some reason, the following comment is "awaiting moderation," so I am trying again without links. I apologize for the duplication once the other one actually appears. Rev. Jakob Fjellander: The Small and Large Catechisms are written for the Christians, for the pastors and the laymen in the church. The dimension worthy-unworthy is primarily applied within the church; it is not a criterion in the fellowship issue. Agreed, and that was my ...
    Jon Alan Schmidt (aletheist) at Dec 19 2014 08:35 am