More Baptists informing Ablaze! by Mollie

April 27th, 2009 Post by

So from Ed Stetzer’s Twitter feed, I learn that another Baptist will be meeting with Synodical leadership tomorrow. Here’s the, uh, tweet:

Dinner with Bob Roberts. Bob is speaking tomorrow to the same LCMS Lutheran group where I just spoke today. Nice surprise.

I’m sure these people are lovely, but I don’t get what Lutherans hope to learn from Southern Baptists.

Here’s some info on Bob Roberts and here’s his blog:

Dr. Bob Roberts, Jr., founding pastor of NorthWood Church, a fast-growing church near Dallas/Ft Worth, TX, is a leading practitioner and writer on glocal—local and global—transformation of individuals, churches, communities and nations. Roberts’ unique principles have transformed the people and ministry at NorthWood and its 80 (and counting) church plants and impacted “adopted” nations throughout the world. He is the founder of GlocalNet (Glocal.net), a network of like-minded leaders who are advancing a glocal church multiplication movement that connects the body of Christ worldwide.

I have no doubt that “advancing a glocal church multiplication movement” sounds impressive to Synod, Inc. I also think it sounds like a parody of church bureaucratese.


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  1. Revfisk
    April 27th, 2009 at 21:29 | #1

    http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Missional-Code-Missionary-Community/dp/0805443592

    Breaking the Missional Code, a recent release by Ed Setzer, is very fond of this word “glocal.” It’s amazing. This movement coins new terms before the last ones have reached press. Each term is a “nuance” (read: spin) of old terms, providing new (read: old) and insightful (read: repristinated) ideas and information about how they are the messianic future of the Church (read: enthusiasts).

    Meanwhile, try to nuance the distinction between, say, how we actually speak Law and Gospel, and one is being divisive, quibbling, and too dogmatic.

    But don’t be surprised that the LCMS leaders are looking for answers. Just be surprised they can foot the bill of their consultants given the current fiscal crisis. These guys don’t come cheap.

  2. Rev. Allen Bergstrazer
    April 28th, 2009 at 08:20 | #2

    Did I just wake up to find myself in a Dilbert comic strip? Glo-cal? Have mercy. Sounds like a brand of paint.

  3. Todd Wilken
    April 28th, 2009 at 09:59 | #3

    More consultants.

    How much of Grandma Schmidt’s mission offering is being spent to fly, feed, house and compensate Stetzer and Roberts?

    Bad advice from Baptists doesn’t come cheap.

    TW

  4. John Hooss
    April 28th, 2009 at 12:32 | #4

    Why is this surprising?

    We (synod) buy property from the Catholics. Christian Brothers College next to Concordia STL. Then sell it. (also the land the purple palace sits on Humm).

    We get advice from corporate lawyers and threaten lawsuits.

    We try to mimic other denominations as unique when we offer the unique.

    Use willow creek as a model to open satellite churches.

    Now we look to the Baptists for advice on growth.

    OR maybe they just came for cocktails and we sold them a radio station.

    John Hooss

    Snark snark

  5. April 28th, 2009 at 15:43 | #5

    2 John 9-11 – Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching,do not receive him in your house and do not give him a
    greeting: for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deed.

    Romans 16:17 – Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and offenses contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

    Mark 6:1 – Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake off the dust from the soles of your feet for a testimony against them.

    Titus 3:10: Reject a man causing divisions after a first and second warning.

  6. Johannes
    April 28th, 2009 at 18:27 | #6

    Did I see “transformation?” Yes, I did. Oh goodie–more of that buzzword. You better look up the meaning of “transform” if you want to know what it’s really about (and also be sure to read Scott Diekmann’s post on Transforming Congregations):

    VERBATIM FROM MERRIAM WEBSTER’S COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY, TENTH EDITION, 1993:

    Transform verb [ME, fr. L transformare, fr. Trans- + formare to form, fr. Forma form] 1a: to change in composition or structure b: to change the outward from or appearance of c: to change in character or condition; CONVERT
    Syn TRANSFORM, METAMORPHOSE, TRANSMUTE, CONVERT, TRANSFIGURE mean to change a thing into a different thing. TRANSFORM implies a major change in form, nature, or function..”

    Beware, y’all. After undergoing transformation, we won’t recognize ourselves. We’ll be Baptists that serve wine at Communion and baptize babies.

  7. Matt Phillips
    April 28th, 2009 at 18:50 | #7

    Ask yourself these questions:

    How did Luther and faithful confessors (ie, Chemnitz) in the sixteenth century approach other ‘theologians’ who denied biblical doctrine on baptism and the Lord’s supper?

    How did Walther react to the Methodists and Baptists of his own day?

    I would be very surprised if they sat down to get sermon ideas and missionary ideas from them.

  8. Matt Phillips
    April 28th, 2009 at 20:48 | #8

    Check out Ed Stetzer’s website where he has an interesting short history of the LCMS.

    To clarify my comments: I have nothing against Mr. Stetzer in that he is being faithful to the American Evangelical doctrine and practice.

    My problem is with our Synod’s leadership for paying (I’m assuming they paid) a Baptist to come give us lessons on doctrine or practice.

  9. Mollie
    April 28th, 2009 at 20:49 | #9

    Matt,

    It’s ironic that Ed Stetzer does a better job discussing Lutheranism than our own leadership. Sigh. My beef isn’t with him but what in the heck is our leadership doing paying him to advise? I just don’t get it.

  10. Elnathan the younger
    April 28th, 2009 at 21:29 | #10

    A reply to Mollie who commented above: “what in the heck is our leadership doing paying him to advise? I just don’t get it.”

    It all about the lack of understanding that our PotS has. He no more understands Lutheran theology and practice (read that Scriptural theology and practice) than the devil understands grace. Given that, his seeking Baptists, Methodists, and etc. to guide and educate the Synod leadership is (sadly) perfectly understandable. God have mercy.

  11. Johannes
    April 28th, 2009 at 22:35 | #11

    Elnathan (and Mollie)–The LCMS has been in love with non-Lutheran programs for over 30 years. How many of our pastors, let alone Synodical and District leaders are graduates of Fuller? Pres. K, way back in the 90’s praised Kent Hunter’s “Confessions of a Church Growth Enthusiast.” Too many pastors fall back on programs with suspect theology, as they don’t seem to believe in the power of God’s Word. We have a new Material Principle: The Great Commission. Justification by grace thru faith? What’s that?

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