Table Talk: Ordain Women Now

November 8th, 2012 Post by

Recently there has arisen a group in the LCMS who believes that there should be a peaceful discussion concerning the ordination of women. Should the LCMS have further discussion concerning this topic, or is the debate itself a rejection of Holy Scripture?

This argument draws out the worst in people. Men and women act  like swine in their own filth rather than pure baptized children of their Heavenly Father. I have one word for both sides in this debate. REPENT. Repent, and hear the word of the Lord.

Men, repent, for you have abandoned your God given vocations as chief catechists of your household. Rather than being Christ in the marriage, you are the tyrant who uses Scripture to your own advantage and your own choosing. St. Paul declares, “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her  to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,  and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.  In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.  After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—  for we are members of his body (Ephesians 5:25-30). Men are not  called to be critics or tyrants, but sacrificial lambs for their wives. They are sanctified for the good work of teaching the faith to their spouse and children, if that is the will of God.  Men, you are not called to wickedness and anger, but to a life of constant and sacrificial living for your wife and any woman God places in your life.

Women, repent, for you have abandoned your God given vocations as the givers of life and the helper to man. Rather than being the Holy Bride of Christ, you have forsaken Christ’s Word for the philosophies of this fallen and wicked world. The changing of the times occupies your ears and hearts rather than the eternal word of your Savior. As Martha, you are busy in keeping the house clean and working out your salvation, when instead you should sit at the feet of your Savior with Mary for she, “has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her (Luke 10:42).  Woman is not called to teach, but to receive the teaching that comes from the mouth of Christ’s installed servant, be it the Pastor himself or the husband.

The argument flows from these statements, “What if I am a single woman? What should I do then?” Well, if you have children and there is no husband, then you are the head of the household. If your husband is an unbeliever, then you are the chief teacher of your children, in line with Lois and Eunice.  However, both single men and single women, married men and married women, are all under the authority of Christ and His called servant, the Pastor. All are subordinate to the Word of God alone.

These arguments about women’s ordination flow from unbelief in both God’s Word and discontent in one’s vocation. Luther spoke against Pilgrimages in the Smalcald Articles and said the main issue is the rejection  of one’s vocation for “Why would one neglect one’s own parish, God’s Word, spouse and child, etc.-which are necessary and commanded-and run after unnecessary, uncertain, shameful, devilish will-o’-the-wisps? (Smalcald Articles II.2.18)

The problem whenever these debates arise is that they overflow with legal language. Alot of “No” statements. So, let us not ask, “What can and can’t women do in the church?” But rather, ‘What is given for both men and women to receive?” What is given to woman? To be a daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, aunt. To be a Deaconess, school teacher, nurse, organist, Sunday School Teacher. It is given her to be watched over by her Pastor and if it be the will of God, her father and husband. Let’s stop the Pharisaic question, ‘Is it lawful.” the answer is always “No”, it is not lawful, in fact you are breaking the law by asking that question. Let us ask the question, “What does God say in His Word and what does He give us to be in Him?”

What of those lazy men that won’t step up to the plate and be the head of the household? Women, call them to repentance. Call them to repent and take up the Sword of the Spirit and protect the house from the assaults of the wicked deceiver.  Let not your lips tire from calling the Christian man to be accountable to his God-given vocation.

Every time these arguments about women’s ordination come up it is the same argument. There is never a good answer for those who desire women to be pastors. Well, that’s sin for you. Get used to it. We are going to have this debate until Christ comes down and judges both the living and the dead. The only thing we can do is be faithful to Scripture, avoid useless babble and opinion, and pray that God keep us steadfast and content in His Word, Amen.

 






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  1. Joanne
    November 10th, 2012 at 16:09 | #1

    @Rose #42 And let the goats wander off. Or do we think this very vocal pastor with public statements, some even pubished, might want to stay and fight our long, long, long and work intensive process to get back on our roster and out of isolation, when the chances are so slim that even the blind, false prophets of Baal perceived his touted errors and chased him away.

    If we do nothing after the process is initiated, the status quo is the person walks away by their own decision rather than fights for the recognition of his faithfulness.

    Problem: The Missouri Synod is only ever 3 years away from a total change of course by democratic vote. If the women voters someday outnumber the male voters as is happening in all the WO churches, and happens today at many Missouri congregational meetings, then we are just talking ancient history here and a misunerstanding about whatever it was Paul was trying to say so symbolially that it must mean the opposite of what it says.

    Our synod presidents used to be soundly trusted and were reaffirmed into their offices by acclamation over and over. Our two brains must have been better connected in those days.

  2. Abby
    November 11th, 2012 at 11:26 | #2

    I used to be a Bible study leader for a woman’s group. Preparation is such a good thing because often the leader learns more than he/she is attempting to “teach.” I remember a time very clearly that I was absolutely convinced from Scripture that only men were chosen to be Jesus disciples/Apostles. Only men can hold the Office of the Keys. I believe this with all my heart. When you come to God’s Word, you come asking for Him to teach us. We don’t come to His Word looking for validation for our own personal “opinion” on a subject. Almost like evolutionists saying the Bible can’t teach creation (and thus eliminate the Creator) because evolution is true according to science. I am wondering how much the “war on women” — that is completely societal — is affecting women’s mindsets in the church. And so they bring that view to bear on Holy Scripture. I really want to hear Bible verses from them to show me exactly where it shows that women can be pastors or even elders. And I don’t want to hear the headcovering one either.

    There are many verses that guide me as to my “boundaries” for serving others and for serving in the church. But these two references are two of my favorites:

    “Soon afterward [Jesus] went on through cities and villages proclaiming and bringing the good news of the Kingdom of God. And the Twelve were with him and also some women. Who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities. Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their means.” Lk 8:1-3

    “Now as they went on their way, Jesus entered a village. And a woman names Martha welcomed Him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet and listened to His teaching . . .” Lk 10:38-42

  3. Carl Vehse
    June 24th, 2013 at 09:33 | #3

    “Recently there has arisen a group in the LCMS who believes that there should be a peaceful discussion concerning the ordination of women….

    “Every time these arguments about women’s ordination come up it is the same argument.”

    That group now has more cantankerous ally. Lutheran churches within the LCMS, and other churches who do not permit women to be ordained as pastors, recently have been labeled as “very abusive” by a former Georgia peanut farmer.

    His theological incontinence is demonstrated in a Time Magazine June 23, 2013 interview with Jimmy Carter:

    Let’s get right to it. This week the Carter Center’s Mobilizing Faith for Women conference will ask the question, “Can religion be a force for women’s rights instead of a source of women’s oppression?” What’s your answer?
    “What has been the case for many centuries is that the great religions, the major religions, have discriminated against women in a very abusive fashion and set an example for the rest of society to treat women as secondary citizens. In a marriage or in the workplace or wherever, they are discriminated against. And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God.

    “This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest. This is wrong, I think. As you may or may not know, the Southern Baptist Convention back now about 13 years ago in Orlando, voted that women were inferior and had to be subservient to their husbands, and ordained that a woman could not be a deacon or a pastor or a chaplain or even a teacher in a classroom in some seminaries where men are in the classroom, boys are in the classroom. So my wife and I withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention primarily because of that.”

  4. June 24th, 2013 at 12:14 | #4

    Looking over the site…in today’s world, “almost” anyone can create a Web presence. Sure, we can always have an open and honest discussion about God’s Word, but NO is always going to be the answer. Once again, “the Gospel”, the Word, the preaching, the message of the cross (depends on your translating), but it IS foolishness to the perishing.

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