Great Stuff — Great New Site — Floor Committee Weekend – Let Us Pray

LCMS Convention CenterThis post is found on a new site, This is a great site for any member of a LCMS church or people interested in the convention this summer. Be sure to head over to the SynodConvention site and subscribe to updates by email.

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This weekend, May 27-29, the Floor Committees will be meeting in St. Louis to prepare the resolutions that the Convention will take up. This is an important and sometimes difficult task. But it must be done. Following this weekend’s meetings, the first issue of Today’s Business will be prepared, containing the bulk of business that the delegates to the 2016 Convention will consider and then gather to discuss and vote on in July. We will highlight when that issue of Today’s Business is available. In the meantime, let us pray for the safe travel and faithful work of all those serving on Floor Committees.

Almighty and merciful God, You have given us Your Word in order that we would proclaim it to the whole world. As we go about this task, we ask you to guide us to do so in ways that are according to Your will. Guide those who are serving on Floor Committees, that they would carry out their work with joy and thankfulness to You. Protect them as travel, and make their homecomings joyful. We ask all this in the name of Jesus Christ, Your Son, our Lord, who lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever. Amen.

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About Norm Fisher

Norm was raised in the UCC in Connecticut, and like many fell away from the church after high school. With this background he saw it primarily as a service organization. On the miracle of his first child he came back to the church. On moving to Texas a few years later he found a home in Lutheranism when he was invited to a confessional church a half-hour away by our new neighbors.

He is one of those people who found a like mind in computers while in Middle School and has been programming ever since. He's responsible for many websites, including the Book of Concord,, and several other sites.

He has served the church in various positions, including financial secretary, sunday school teacher, elder, PTF board member, and choir member.

Norm has been involved behind the scenes in many of the "go-to" websites for Lutherans going back many years.


Great Stuff — Great New Site — Floor Committee Weekend – Let Us Pray — 37 Comments

  1. Who are the administrators of this website?  It seems to have a definite, specific agenda.  This is fine, but for transparency shouldn’t the administrators be clearly identified?  Thanks.

  2. I can’t think of any other website that doesn’t clearly identify the sponsors (individual or organization). Accountability?

  3. The “Synodconvention” website states: “Note: This is not the official LCMS Convention.” And the site also states,

    “This site exists as a resource for you to:…Learn about who you should vote for during the various Synodical elections.”

    The rest of the text is very delicately phrased without a clear indication of any specific positions on the main issues facing the convention.

    It looks like they are seeking to attract readers, especially the email addresses of subscribers to their notifications.

    There’s nothing about this site on the LCMS’s Convention website or the Reporter website.

    However Norm Fisher states at the beginning,

    This post is found on a new site, This is a great site for any member of a LCMS church or people interested in the convention this summer.”

    So he may have more information about the administrators or owners of the “Synodconvention” website.

    Digging deeper there is on the website a suggestion to “give a read to the list of election recommendations from the United List” and a reference to the Licensed Lay Deacon Task Force.

  4. This is a great site for any member of a LCMS church or people interested in the convention this summer.  

    Not true.  The website has an agenda (which is fine) but the sponsor should then be clearly identified.  It is not a general information resource.   There is no accountability.  Seems kind of shady to me. Where are the openness and fairness? should be avoided until it makes some clarifications.

  5. @John Rixe #5

    What clarifications do you deem necessary to make such a grand statement?

    John, there are many groups which are active during this time. The past fifty years of the LCMS has been filled with them. Some are helpful. Some are not. Stop the fake piety and grand declarations. We allow anonymous commenters here at BJS, what do you think of that?

    So far from this site I have seen posts on suggested candidates by the United List, candidates which I know and believe could be really good in those positions, and a prayer for the Floor Committee meetings going on right now. So good candidate list and prayer for the work of the Floor Committees – you really would mark and avoid that?

    Clearly you are making some assumptions about things that are not healthy.

    FYI a good friend suggested this site to me. I think it is good. Could that change? Not really, given the friend that suggested it is not one who would suggest bad things. Now, you don’t have that good friend making that suggestion, but you have what you have read here and the ACTUAL CONTENT of the site itself.

    As far as openness and fairness? Where is it required that those things exist?

    Since the founders of that site have not identified themselves, judge the site based upon its content. Will it have an agenda? Every media source has an agenda. Of course – this is the LCMS in 2016, a convention year. Is an agenda a bad thing? It certainly can have a bad agenda – but so far I see good suggestions for candidates and requests for prayer. Far from a bad agenda there.

  6. Of course, TR. What are some examples? It’s hard to trust anything where nobody takes responsibility.


  7. @T. R. Halvorson #10

    “We are a small group of LCMS pastors who believe that the church’s primary concern should be the salvation of souls. Our congregations are involved in Jesus’ mission “to seek and to save the lost” both locally and globally. Our desire is to remain anonymous, for one important reason: we do not want this to become a distraction to our ministries or to our congregations. We don’t want to put ourselves in the middle of something. Instead of using our names (which can lead to labeling, name-calling, and worse), we much prefer to let the facts speak for themselves. Wherever possible, we have provided documentation. If you find anything on this website to be factually in error, send us an email with the details, and we will promptly correct the error. missionunchained(at)

    Clearly, we are not “impartial”. We have strong opinions on the subjects raised – that’s why we went to the trouble of building this blog! You are welcome to post your opinions, as well, wherever there is a “comments” section. We are fine with anonymity (obviously) so long as you are polite. Comments are moderated before posting. You are no longer required to register an email in order to comment.”
    – missionunchained

    A similar explanation on the website would clear things up. gives the impression it is a general information website “for any member of a LCMS church or people interested in the convention this summer.”  It should also clearly show it is not impartial – that’s all.

  8. @John Rixe #11

    John, you are confused. The quoted section you put up is about who the site is for, not who it is from…

    In the About page we find who it is from. People who:
    “We believe that the gifts Christ has given to us in the Holy Scriptures, and confessed rightly in the Book of Concord, are treasures which can guide us through whatever may come in the world. Christ has built His Church on a rock – on the solid rock of His Gospel, so well taught from the Holy Scriptures in the Book of Concord. Let’s continue to preserve that foundation by how we carry out His work in the Missouri Synod in the coming years, beginning at the 2016 LCMS Convention!”

  9. @John Rixe #13

    John, regardless of the outcome of the Convention, Confessional Lutherans’ incessant internal purification will continue in the LCMS inasmuch as Holy Scripture provides many warnings against false teaching and also provides an agenda to mark and avoid purveyors of incessant internal corruption. Do we ever stop daily drowning our old Adam? Neither should we cease to agitate against false and otherwise unscriptural, devolving practice in the Church when (not if) it rears its ugly head under the guise of progressive enlightenment and cultural relevance. I’m glad you comment on this blog because you’re a constant reminder of how liberal incrementalism naturally chips away at an institution, organization or a government seeking fairness, social justice, and equal time for itself. Compromise in the spiritual kingdom of the right hand of what we believe, teach, and practice always leads to corruption of doctrine and anemic confession. Therefore, the watchmen on the walls must be vigilant and not fall asleep lest the church be overrun by liturgical minimalists who don’t see any harm in ignoring Lutheran [read “Christian”] Distinctives.

  10. I don’t think your comment relates to the transparency of but enjoy your long weekend, Mark.


  11. @MarkR #4

    The will take you back to its sources, Confessional Lutheran groups in various states which have existed in some cases since the 70’s. I think John Rixe knows that very well but he would prefer to pretend they are questionable because he is allergic to confessional Lutheranism.

    [You will not find John searching for the antecedents of “being missional” … a buzzword in the …Usfirst crowd, because he knows where that “Year 2001+ slogan leads, too.]

    “missionunchained” is something else, an objection to ALL mission [dollars] being controlled by the synodical bureaucracy. Things like Prof. Kurt Marquart’s work with the seminary in Haiti and continuing projects in his memory would probably be shelved because the “right office” didn’t initiate them. That would be too bad, IMO.

    Colver’s solicited decree mentions “work” where I inserted [dollars], I think. I’m not going back to check because I believe dollars are the main concern. [I don’t know who/what to believe about Obare, but I know I don’t want to send money there.]

  12. @helen #16

    If unitedlist is sponsoring, just say it on the About page.  How hard is that?  The website would then actually be more credible.

  13. @MarkR #4

    Some decades ago, I got acquainted with a Thai lady, married into the LCMS, who was interested in bringing Lutheran Christianity to that mostly Buddhist country. She was a teacher in a school. Converting Buddhists is an uphill job but she was eventually having some success as a lay person and an ordained missionary was requested. The mission board from St Louis came out and told her to abandon the idea of missionary work but teach English, to supply servants for the foreign tourist hotels that had begun to pollute the west coast of the Gulf of Siam!

    The mission still functions, at last report. Young men from Thailand were graduated and ordained from St Catherine’s in Canada to supply pastors. As far as I know, LCMS/IC has nothing to do with it. Lutheran Heritage Foundation does useful work, in supplying translated Lutheran texts, from Small Catechisms to the BOC to a children’s book of Bible stories.

  14. @John Rixe #18

    I got the information from this page/thread, John.

    If you weren’t trying to make them something to be afraid of, you could have, too.

  15. “Our friends at The United List have long been a good go-to for recommendations on who to vote for at each LCMS Convention. They’ve published their list of recommendations for the 2016 LCMS Convention and they are worth checking out and considering. The entire list is posted below. You can also get a PDF copy of The United List 2016 for use during the Convention here:

    I don’t think that this means unitedlist is the sponsor of the entire website. Do you?

    I may be getting over sensitive in my very old age, but I don’t appreciate your snarky personal comments, Helen. Try backing off please.


  16. Personal comments diminish the credibility of your issue-oriented comments which are generally thoughtful. 🙂

  17. @helen #16

    “CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is when you attack the ISSUE and seek to resolve the issue in a healthy manner.

    DESTRUCTIVE antagonism is when you attack the PERSON and
    seek to destroy and demean him or her.”      – Pr Likeness  

  18. On the website’s banner it says:

    “All that you need to be an informed delegate at the 2016 LCMS Convention”

    Seems deceptive and dishonest unless they plan to impartially present all sides to the major issues.  So far they only present one side.  Delegates should avoid this website until they disclose the sponsors and the agenda.

  19. @John Rixe #28

    Gracious is you still being allowed to comment here after years of trolling.

    Evidence is your years of trolling, especially mocking firm convictions and practices.

    If you look at the comment policy again, you realize that it also says:
    “We reserve the right to identify and deal with trollish behavior as we see fit and without apology. This may include warnings (public or private ones) or banning.”

    You have been reasonably engaged and yet continue to insist upon your grandiose statement of “mark and avoid”. That’s trolling. I have gone beyond what is required of me in telling you.

  20. @John Rixe #25

    Dear John,
    The constructive criticism is that you can be counted on to take the liberal side of any issue. How is it “destructive” or “demeaning” to recognize a fact?

    [And the liberal sites do not take the trouble to be “impartial”. Do you ever suggest that they should?]

  21. @John Rixe #25

    Dear John,
    The constructive criticism is that you can be counted on to take the liberal side of any issue. How is it “destructive” or “demeaning” to recognize a fact?

    [And the liberal sites do not take the trouble to be “impartial”. Do you ever suggest that they should?]

    For some issues: women in the chancel, (or uneducated men, ditto), entertainment church, “5/2” (among others) there really should not be “two sides” for LCMS Lutherans. To the extent that there seem to be, we’re “off the rails” and out of agreement with our core documents, Scripture and the BOC.

  22. @John Rixe #26

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. An unsuspecting seeker-sensitive, church transforming, doctrine-downplaying missiologist who firmly believes the parameters of the Office of the Holy Ministry are too constrictive stumbles upon a website that purports to be a good source of information for 2016 LCMS Convention delegates and is subsequently mesmerized by the site content to the point where he actually becomes convinced of the merits of reading AC XIV in the light of Holy Scripture, snaps out of his delusions of grandeur and joins his confessional brethren in celebrating the Unaltered Augsburg Confession as a true exposition of said Holy Scripture and a correct exhibition of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and begins to confess that the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, the Small and Large Catechisms of Martin Luther, the Smalcald Articles, the Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope, and the Formula of Concord are also in agreement with this one scriptural and apostolic faith. This same church growth adherent to the new measures and methodologies – because, oh I don’t know, God’s word isn’t powerful enough – is shaken to the core of his character and intellect so as to now understand he has been under a spell all along and then votes, of all things, according to his conscience which is now witnessing against him. Is that what you’re worried about; a conspiracy of Confessional Lutherans not being up front about their real intentions and purpose to persuade people who might otherwise weaken and divide the Synod even more than they already have? What’s the down side?

  23. Sponsors of advocacy websites should identify themselves and their values. See unitedlist and missionunchained. If you don’t think it’s necessary that’s ok and it doesn’t make you a bad person 🙂


  24. Pr Scheer – I appreciate that you haven’t banned me.  Although I was annoying it wasn’t intentional, and I regret you felt it was trollish.  I will no longer be participating.  May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing.

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