FiveTwo — Lutherans Visiting an Evangelical Garage Sale


About Norm Fisher

Norm was raised in the UCC in Connecticut, and like many fell away from the church after high school. With this background he saw it primarily as a service organization. On the miracle of his first child he came back to the church. On moving to Texas a few years later he found a home in Lutheranism when he was invited to a confessional church a half-hour away by our new neighbors.

He is one of those people who found a like mind in computers while in Middle School and has been programming ever since. He's responsible for many websites, including the Book of Concord,, and several other sites.

He has served the church in various positions, including financial secretary, sunday school teacher, elder, PTF board member, and choir member.

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FiveTwo — Lutherans Visiting an Evangelical Garage Sale — 13 Comments

  1. Discount now, prohibitively expensive later. Maybe a good comparison would be buying cheap lumber hiding termites that later infest the whole house. Likewise, I wouldn’t buy cheap cookies once I knew they contained liquid Drano.

  2. ((from Norm: Sent to me by Randy .. use this to send me a file if you want it posted.))

    This came off of their FiveTwo’s facebook page, but of course, I added the ministry line.

  3. @Pastor Tim Rossow #1

    The consultants never give anything away. These guys are selling theological snake oil, and that means their product is not only way overpriced, but dangerous to your spiritual health. I’m not so sure I’d describe it as a “garage sale,” either. “Flea market” doesn’t quite describe it either. Perhaps “Confidence Man” is more accurate, altho these folks don’t believe they’re cheating us. Maybe “Typhoid Mary?” She was a hardworking cook, was asymptomatic, refused treatment, spread typhoid wherever she went, and was at least indirectly responsible for three deaths, and many cases of typhoid. Yes, I suppose the headline might be changed to “Lutherans Hire Chef Typhoid Mary.”

  4. That meme sums it up just right. That’s exactly what it is, and I have to wonder what possesses those who think running to the mess that is American evangelicalism will accomplish.

  5. I am so discouraged when I see Lutherans and even Lutheran pastors trying to put the best construction on this purpose driven warmed-over Ablaze nonsense. This is a brilliant meme.

    The pastor in charge of this says something in his videos about us being a sacrament (I suppose in our doing good works). Jesus is “really present” in your “bread and wine” (i.e. your body and blood). How can this be tolerated??

  6. So again the question can be asked: what are the ecclesiastical supervisors doing about this false doctrine?

  7. What are the ecclesiastical supervisors doing about this false doctrine? They are encouraging it.

  8. Christ has strong words to say to shepherds who fail their calling. You could look it up.

  9. I understand what Scriptures states about pastoral behavior–however my concern is whether or not this is being addressed directly. I know their DP is aware of this and that President Harrison’s office is also aware–but what is happening and will action take place?

  10. Norm

    @Randy #3

    Randy :
    ((from Norm: Sent to me by Randy .. use this to send me a file if you want it posted.))

    This came off of their FiveTwo’s facebook page, but of course, I added the ministry line.

    Norm I just sent you one, not sure if it worked or if the file is somehow connected with the message I sent but… I sent it!

  11. The “showing” of Christ by the “doing” of good works to “earn merit” is basic Romanist theology. Lets not dump the blame for all of this bad theology on “American Evagelicalism”. The Pope and his Theologians of Glory were the original and still chief purveorys of the “purpose driven” life heresy (works righteousness). As I see it, anything except the full admission that God does everything through Christ and the Cross will inevitably lead back to works-righteousness. Which is probably why the new Pope is happy to meet with the likes of Kenneth Copeland. Calvist/Arminian “Protestantism” come full circle to meet Romanism in this focus on human-actions/human-works and to renounce the power of the Word.

  12. @Randy #3
    Shouldn’t that “movements begin in the margins” quote have a nice outhouse picture background instead?

    Speaking of Movements, Oikos (LCMS Houston) church had a blurb about 3d movements, which I made note of on Rosebrough’s wall when he posted something about their “Justice League” sermon series starting this next week. For that, one lady condemned me to hell for my trashy comment. Literally. Well, at least she said she wouldn’t be spending eternity with me.

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