60 Men, a campground, firearms, and some unhappy women…

Jesus GunThis past couple days I had the opportunity to sit and listen to presentations and also present at the Wyoming District Men’s Retreat.  The theme for this year’s retreat (first one in a few years) was “Guns, the Catechism, and the Constitution”.  The retreat flyer can be found here.

I was not able to attend the whole retreat due to other obligations as a parish pastor, but what I did see was a group of 60+ men gathered from a solid district in the LCMS to learn more about our vocation as citizens in this country.  There was time for praying compline and matins.   There was time for belting out hymns like “A Mighty Fortress”.  There was time for mutual conversation around the campfire.  There was time for the moderate enjoyment of both the beer and fine sodas donated by the Grand Teton Brewing Company (owned by laymen of the LCMS).  There was also appointed range times for the men to hone their skills at wielding firearms of all varieties (time kept very distinct from the enjoyment of beverages).  Among all of the men was the understanding of Christian manhood and how it relates to being a citizen in the United States.  There were presentations on the Second Amendment (with an aside on organic, range fed chickens and the thinking that goes into that), gun laws and the congregation, as well as my expansion of my BJS article “Guns, Commandments, and a paper Caesar“.

Now, for the unhappy women part of the article.  Many women had requested to be a part of the retreat because they too wanted to learn, have fun, and go shooting as well.  This may have to be remedied in the future.

Here is an idea for congregational men’s groups or even regions or districts – have a similar retreat – get your men together around the Word, the Catechism, the Constitution, and the other things in this life that they enjoy (because being good laymen they already enjoy Bible and Catechism) and learn more.


About Pastor Joshua Scheer

Pastor Joshua Scheer is the Senior Pastor of Our Savior Lutheran Church in Cheyenne, Wyoming. He is also the Editor-in-chief of Brothers of John the Steadfast. He oversees all of the work done by Steadfast Lutherans. He is a regular host of Concord Matters on KFUO. Pastor Scheer and his lovely wife Holly (who writes and manages the Katie Luther Sisters) have four children and enjoy living in Wyoming.


60 Men, a campground, firearms, and some unhappy women… — 114 Comments

  1. @Nicholas #50

    voter ID does two things. it helps prevent voter fraud. it systemically sets a hurdle in front of those who were otherwise allowed to legally vote.

    when using an abbreviated series of comments, it is not surprising that they sound similar to other people who think similarly on a given, specific topic.

    judging by other comments i’ve made at bjs, i’ve been striving for

    “6 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.”

    if you see something i’ve written that you find disconcerting theologically, let me know. otherwise i’m having difficulty reading your statement charitably.

    i’ve reproached you about tone before, (particularly by putting the best construction on everything) and you seemed very amiable to that.

    in any event, i do feel strongly that the voter ID stuff going on does more harm than good, and comes from a long line of groups with an interest in disenfranchising others. we can talk about that too. my email is attached. i’m definitely willing to listen to you.

  2. @Quasicelsus #45
    we’re getting off topic – but…

    When was the last time we were on it? 🙁

    The article says, I think, that all potential voters should be able to show a picture ID to register. It does not single out minorities. All citizens hand over their driver’s licenses there and in a lot of other places. They want mine to cash a check at the grocery store I visit every week. Am I the victim of discrimination!?

    Look at the other end of the telescope, please. With a photo ID they are sure nobody’s lifted my wallet, which I appreciate!

    Most of those people who are complaining about needing a picture ID drive cars, [without insurance, in Texas, more often than not.] When they hit someone and lie about insurance, the victim ends up with the repair bill. That’s discrimination against someone who pays for [legally required] insurance, not against them!

    The only minority that might be “discriminated against” is the non-citizen. Do you really think non-citizens are owed the right to vote in this country? I don’t and I doubt you can find another country which would allow that.

  3. @helen #3

    i appreciate your response to me, in both style and substance. that means a lot to me and i respect that.

    right now there is no federal law that one has to carry an id on them at all times. you do, if you are driving, and that is a drivers license. for those who lived through holocaust, the idea of presenting papers sounds very very threatening. having lived overseas and spent time in areas like that, such things are rife with corruption and bribes. (similar arguments are made out for guns – hitler took away the guns…. the SS asked for “documents”)

    something similar is happening with arizona, i believe. yes, the attempt is to expel illegals, but i’m suggesting it’s not as simple as that. i’m actually suggesting that the solution they are bringing to the table causes more problems.

    this is similar to stop and frisk. i doubt that is interfering with people’s lives here.

    it’s very similar to the ideology that goes behind pleading the 5th or not consenting to search – these laws are in place for a good reason, and they’re for your benefit. the “oh, i have nothing to hide” mentality will end up putting the person in jail because they hiccuped their alibi – casting doubt by the jury, etc etc etc etc.

    i’ll have to think more on your car accident example, cause i’m not following it as discrimination.

    showing your id for a check is following the rules of a private institution. that’s another philosophical argument we can get into. many of those things are still being legally discussed, much like men’s golf and women’s gyms.

    federally speaking you can look at the history of voting rights in the country, and what methods have been used to deny the votes of others. – we can talk about poll taxes, literacy regulation ( “i mean who wants someone who can’t read to be pulling the lever”), hiding the polls, cutting the voting time, voter intimidation (all sides).

    the id law definitely SOUNDS fair enough. anyone can get an id. only people who it directly affects is illegals etc. i’ve seen the gop reports on voter fraud. so i do hear the rationale.

    there may come a time when id’s are required, but i am not convinced that time is now – especially in light of history.

    – also, these thoughts come from my observations, reading and thoughts. if they sound similar to any talking head, let me know.

  4. @quasicelsus #4
    having lived overseas and spent time in areas like that, such things are rife with corruption and bribes.

    Been there. Could tell a story about an American who assumed his kid could cross a national border without papers.
    FTM, had a little adventure, more years ago than I will count, getting my Danish born, but U.S. citizen grandfather back into this country from a tourist day trip in Canada.
    Because he didn’t have papers with him!

  5. @helen #7
    ooh – yeah i can see that being a real pain, and actually kinda scary too. renewing visas in some eastern european countries require you to leave and then reapply, so you end up sitting in estonia, hoping that there’s not a glitch so you’re not stuck in estonia. estonia is a great place to be stuck, but not when you’re trying to get home. glad you got him home (i’m assuming you did :))

    that being said, i don’t think it’s an all or nothing deal. i’m definitely fine with papers being required for international travel. it’s also a reason why i like a federation of states like the US so there isn’t document checks between states – or differing currency.

  6. @Quasicelsus #8
    renewing visas in some eastern european countries require you to leave and then reapply, so you end up sitting in estonia, hoping that there’s not a glitch so you’re not stuck in estonia.

    The same is true of people who are in the States legally but not permanently.

    I wish the government would make things smoother for those who try to do things legally, instead of catering to those who are not inclined to obey the laws… getting in, or after they are here.

    [I’m not quite sure how we got here from … Wyoming, was it?]

  7. It wasn’t all that long ago where minorities were systematically mistreated and deprived of rights. Even in the LCMS we hedged on it. Maybe it seems like ancient history to you youngsters. But to us old timers it was just yesterday. Read the quotes by a former beloved LCMS president on the issue.


    A retreat on the civil rights of minorities might be a very manly and helpful thing to arrange.

    –The Goob

  8. @CDJ #11

    Yes. It happened over on the “Great? Stuff – New ELCA Bishop” thread. Page 1, Comment #26.

    banned :Troll comment removed; author has been banned.

    I saw it before it was banned, so I know it was him. As usual, he misinterprets (c’mon, he’s lying) the truth, in that it was the only post that was removed. He is playing his victim card to the hilt, crying he has ‘all’ of his posts removed, so no one can see his counterpoints. And over course all the liberals over there are eating it up, and a few are bashing BJS. (always predictable)

    Okay, enough of the side diversion, and to a point the minorities chat. There are those who like small group ministries, be it men, women, parents, singles, elderly, blah, blah, blah… So we had a specific retreat for a targeted group (who did not happen to be the lost…). Reading the brochure and knowing Pr. Scheer helped lead, from my exposure and viewpoint, it was probably pretty solid. I doubt it drifted to the conventicle flavor of small group ministry. We should try to figure out more ways church can be fun, educational, developmental (for discipleship, community, stewardship), and other full counsel of God kind of things. Can we build positively from this example of an event?

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