Can you feel the love tonight?

loveBJS just received an interesting comment over here.  As the saying goes, “they will know we are Christians by our love”.

I have found in my interactions with folks of various political and theological persuasions that the most intolerant folks you can find are the ones who claim “tolerance” as their chief operating principle.  The following comment is a good example of such intolerance.  I will warn the readers that the language of the comment is crude and crass, and there are also numerous errors in it.   Please note that this is a comment from a supporter of syncretism, demonstrated by stating openly exactly why we warn and guard against syncretism of any type – the commenter confesses universalism, stating that no matter what, all groups go to heaven.

Please pray for the leadership of the LCMS as they are receiving numerous communications like this.

I will leave the rest for you to read and discern for yourselves:

 

Pastor Charles,

Are you full of crap or something? My God! Backing up the LC-MS President with his narrow minded, blind, stupidity with such assinine, jackass rules! This publicity gives ALL Lutherans (no matter what branch)  bad publicity and makes those in the LC-MS look like jackasses.

The pastor in Newtown should not have to apologize for some stupid rule in a church. You don’t see Jews doing it.

If I were the pastor in Newtown I would have told the LC-MS Pres. to go straight to hell! In fact, I wrote him tonight and told him he was a jackass.

I am one of Martin Luther’s relatives (yes, you read right!) a lifelong Lutheran, a Lutheran scholar, and my relative would be appalled at what is going on in a fundamentalist, conservative, backasswards church branch bearing his name, which would just piss him off! He would be saying the same things with great aplomb. What part of Lutheranism don’t you get?

I got good news for all you LC-MS and WELS folks: you are not the only Lutherans getting into heaven! We are all going there, so you better be ready to stand next to worship God with gays, lesbians, cub scouts, Catholics, Muslims, Islamics, Jews, Greeks, Lepers, women at the well, and any other “undesireables” you see not fit to take Holy Communion at your churches.

You hypocrites!

We’d love to have the pastor in Newtown come work in the ELCA where there is open hearts, open minds, open communion and worship with others in the name of God, Jesus, including Jews, Greeks, Muslims, Islamics, and others.

Remember what Jesus told us to do…”love each other as I have loved you.” So, I will pray for you and your misguided ways, and love you to learn and open your hearts in the name of Jesus who loves us all equally.

AND MAY THE LORD BLESS AND KEEP YOU!

 

About Pastor Joshua Scheer

Pastor Joshua Scheer is the Senior Pastor of Our Savior Lutheran Church in Cheyenne, Wyoming. He is also the Editor-in-chief of Brothers of John the Steadfast. He oversees all of the work done by Steadfast Lutherans. He is a regular host of Concord Matters on KFUO. Pastor Scheer and his lovely wife Holly (who writes and manages the Katie Luther Sisters) have four children and enjoy living in Wyoming.

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Can you feel the love tonight? — 36 Comments

  1. Haha! Wow! Scholar of Lutheranism? Seriously? There’s no point in even trying to elaborate on how wrong he is. What an ignorant ass (sorry if that’s unchristian-like. Well actually, his relative named Martin liked to talk like this too about false teachers, so never mind).

  2. Basically, what I got from him was “you’re horrible, let me call you a bunch of Unchristian-like names and insult your intelligence, but I’M GOING TO LOVE YOU (because, you see, I’m the better person and want to show you what LOVING SOMEONE IS REALLY LIKE).”

    If that’s his version of love, I certainly don’t want it. I want real love, from Christ, thanks.

  3. I would like to encourage everyone to keep Rev. Harrison in your prayers. Not to elevate him above his station, but I know of not many people with more of a passion for preaching the truth of the Gospel than him.
    I recall serving as a delegate to one of my district conventions.. I am 31 now, I was probably mid 20’s then. I had just watched Rev. Kieschnick’s Abalze! video on the big screen. And i felt crushed under the law. What was my congregation doing wrong that we couldnt accomplish that? How was I failing in my inability to reach so many unchurched people as that lay missionary from x congregation? I felt crushed.
    And minutes later, Rev. Harrison spoke. And in just a few minutes proclaimed the Gospel in its purity in such a way I hadn’t heard in any of the other ‘official’ synodical presentations/videos.
    This man is a real servant of the Word. And he, like Rev. Wallace Schulz before him, is having the most vile of infective hurled at him. Scriptural truth tells us the way of Christ is a narrow one, and even those in His hometown rejected Him. We know we will never win the PR battle that wages on such issues.
    Yet, I think it would be meet, right, and salutary to offer up a prayer of thanksgiving for Rev. Harrison’s pastoral leadership and ask for strength to be given to him and all those in leadership positions in the church.
    And along with it, a prayer for Rev. Morris. I don’t know the man, but I do know this. There is nothing harder than confessing a sin and then having a thousand people tell you didn’t really need to ask for repentance, cause you did absolutely nothing wrong. THAT is a tough place to be. Easier to just move on and pray the Lord’s guidance in continuing to serve Him. Far harder for that when everyone says, ‘You did nothing wrong!! You didnt need to repent!! The Harrison is evil.’

  4. What’s with defending your correct understanding by being related to people? Confessing the faith that Luther taught, and the confessions preserve, is what makes a Lutheran. But what do I know, my ancestors aren’t even German.

  5. I had to laugh that the gentleman is one of Martin Luther’s relatives, as if that gives him credentials. I personally know a family, the Luthers, related to Martin Luther. They are Latin Mass Catholics and consider Dr. Luther the black sheep of their family.

  6. I’d love to read the letter he said he wrote to Harrison. I’m sure it’s an epic fail – just like his comment was.

  7. Oh good grief. This from my local paper, The St Louis Post Dispatch:

    http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/controversy-over-newtown-vigil-exposes-divisions-among-lutherans/article_15397b42-0abe-5cc5-ad56-e730040a0d98.html

    This website is a big whipping boy for Tim Townsend

    Quotes from scholars most of whom wanted to be anonymous? And Matthew Becker? “I would hope that this latest action by Harrison would be sufficient to lead LCMS electors to remove him from the office of president and to replace him with someone who is wiser and more evangelical,” said the Rev. Matthew Becker, interim pastor at Immanuel Lutheran Church in Michigan City, Ind. And this gem from Pr Seidler from Concordia Kirkwood (MO)
    Seidler said that Lutherans “will not soon forget the heavy-handed reproof of a young pastor who interceded for the little children. It is quite possible Matt Harrison is a one-term president.”

  8. Why is it, when we hear others talk about, Christ’s Love, they always forget, the “other” side of His Love? Holy & Just Love?
    Um…this is the same Christ, who fashioned a whip, was he not? Why did He do that?
    Love does not mean tolerance of sin. He did not, even with those closest to Him.

    The wordly & tolerant response, Peter gave to Him, regarding His being taken. Remember Christ’s response? I shudder every time I hear His words read, my name & that enemy’s in the same sentence, should make anyone hit their knees.

    Our conduct is watched with eagle eyes, sometimes, what we are not willing to do or compromise, is far more important, than what we, do or allow.

    A very wise man, told me decades ago, when I asked why, is all this so hard? This was his response: “Kiddo, the day the world embraces you or the day you understand it & those who belong to it, is the day your knees & face should hit the floor”. “What, why?” I asked.
    “Because the day it loves you, the day those who belong to it do, the day you understand it, is the day you’ve realized, you’ve become a part of it.”
    “Never endevor that day, kiddo. Remember what your Lord told you, how it felt about Him, the tears He shed for it, what the whip he used against what it was allowed in His Father’s House.”

    That makes it all rather cut & dry for me. It was just “Lutheran” back then, now those who still trust on, believe, & do what Christ commands….now they call us Confessional. That is one moniker I’m proud, to be called by.

  9. I suppose it’s the natural reaction when we blaspheme someone else’s god by proclaiming our own. It’s just a not-so-subtle reminder that pluralism isn’t a philosophy that lets all religions exist side-by-side; it simply tries to place all religions under a different god altogether.

  10. Interesting “LOVE” this person is showing … swearing left & right in his letter beginning, and then reminding the reader how much he loves & prays for the accused in his letter ending.

    His own words accuse him! (“You hyocrite!”)

    “I got good news for all you LC-MS and WELS folks: you are not the only Lutherans getting into heaven! We are all going there, so you better be ready to stand next to worship God with gays, lesbians, cub scouts, Catholics, Muslims, Islamics, Jews, Greeks, Lepers, women at the well, and any other “undesireables” you see not fit to take Holy Communion at your churches.”

    What this supposed “Lutheran” / “CHristian” seems to have forgotten is that YES, all those folks will be in heaven IF they are repentant of their unbelief! Only thru Christ are all saved (John 3:16). But who cares about that little good book (aka the Bible), when you got “open hearts, open minds, open communion and worship with others … including Jews, Greeks, Muslims, Islamics, and others.” What a bunch of HODGE-PODGE, make-my-own-religion. How is this dude any different than a Hindu Yogi ?!? …

    SHAME on him, for reminding others of his Martin Luther hereditery connection.

  11. People need to comment on the St. Louis Post Dispatch story, and put your name on it. I would ask the BJS staff to reconsider their policy and from now on, refuse to post any comment that is anonymous or just initials or a first name. In this world and in the church, stand up and be recognized. Right now, our President deserves your support. He has acted in the most faithful and pastoral manner possible. Write, comment, support, pray!

  12. Mark & Pastor Kumm,
    Well, I guess that makes me a double target. I’m a BJS member & also a member at Intrepid Lutherans. Grew up LCMS & am now WELS.

    Folks, if He wants to winnow, it belongs to Him, He will do so, at His good choosing.
    That article in the StLDispatch, is horrid.

    We can never know what parameters that are placed on others, posting pro or against.
    We still have a voice, even if the companies, churches we belong to, or other circumstances, bar anyone from allowing their name be written. I can’t, I don’t even answer to my given name, just my nickname. I have others to think on & about when doing so. I won’t fault anyone for the choosing. We cannot always jump to or assume it is cowardice.

    If the site knows who ya are, or posts something like this, it is those who run that site to decide that. They do & we respect that. It is why BJS, made that paper in the first place.

  13. Michael Kumm: People need to comment on the St. Louis Post Dispatch story, and put your name on it.

    The problem, Michael, is that I don’t have a Facebook account. Never have. The Post-Dispatch changed their comment policy about a year ago and now only takes comments through Facebook. Of course, this article has caused the usual horde of angry libs (redundant?) to turn out and post their rants and venom.

    Tim Townsend really did a lousy job on this story, very biased and slanted. In the past, I thought Townsend did some decent reporting on LCMS-related stories, but not this time. Under the headline on the front page, it says, “Minister is punished for praying for shooting victims with other faiths.” However, the minister was NOT punished. The article says that President Harrison asked Pr. Morris to apologize, as though this apology was forced out of Morris, against his will, and thus was not sincere. However, Pr. Morris himself apologized, on his own, right here on BJS, that night after the service. I don’t think it is right to question the sincerity of Pr. Morris’s apology. And Townsend picked just the most extreme comments from BJS, out of context, in an attempt to make conservatives look bad.

    Also, if you read between the lines of this story and other stories this past week, you can see the political machinations in gear, with the “other side” in our synod hoping that this is the issue they can glom onto and spin, in a desperate attempt to unseat Harrison. I predict it will not work.

  14. I have been in the LC-MS for all 45 years of my life. I have lived through the ups and downs, the left leanings and the right leanings. The thing that disturbs me most about this whole thing is the (wrong) conviction that if we do not agree with someone’s belief, it means we have no love for them. Yes, Christ instructed us to love one another, but agreement is not part of love. What family could get together and break bread without that dynamic? The fact remains, Christ said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.” There can be no compromise on this. I hope this person reads the letters of Pastor Harrison and Pastor Morris. If he already has and this is what he took from them…I’m very sorry for him.

  15. @Charles Henrickson #19
    Also, if you read between the lines of this story and other stories this past week, you can see the political machinations in gear, with the “other side” in our synod hoping that this is the issue they can glom onto and spin, in a desperate attempt to unseat Harrison. I predict it will not work.
    I hope you are right, but complacency will be expensive. If this tempest wakes people up to the fact that “…us1st” is not disbanded, perhaps we needed that!
    Many Texans can tell you that Jerry doesn’t like to lose.

  16. And what kind of a person is willing to throw the reputation of his church under the bus of public opinion for his own gain?

  17. Are we sure it wasn’t a joke, if albeit a bad one? I saw a fair number of the tropes that appeared in a Facebook thread of lines pastors have heard.

  18. I especially appreciated this quote from the WMLT blog from Pr Yeadon President of the New England Synod. Please go over and read the whole blog post. Pr Harrison and Pr Yeadon both have letters of apology posted.

    http://wmltblog.org/2013/02/pastoral-letters-on-the-newtown-tragedy/

    A final thought which I have shared with both President Harrison and Pastor Morris. I believe that Satan wants to divide us and to isolate us from one another. He is the true enemy and on December 14 this enemy showed his true colors. He will stop at nothing, not even the murder of little children, in his hatred of all that is God and all that is good. We hold up Jesus Christ in New England as do all of you where the Lord has called you to serve. With the strength of the Lord I will not allow the enemy to isolate me from President Harrison nor from Pastor Morris and the people of Christ the King Lutheran Church in Newtown, Connecticut. We will have our discussions and our disagreements. Where I am wrong I ask for forgiveness from the Savior and from any whom I offended. I without reservation give it to those who have sinned against me because Jesus has forgiven me so much in my life. With Christ’s help we will make it through these days and He will bring His good out of all of this. That is why I believe the best days of the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod are still ahead of us.

    Rev. Timothy Yeadon

    President, New England District

    The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod

  19. “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.” Mt 5:44-45 ESV

  20. Interesting that the humanists always fall back on their definitions of “love”, totally ignoring true Biblical love. Philippians 2:2, Colossians 1:3-6, 2 Thess 2:10, et. al

    John 5:41-43 – “I do not receive honor from men. 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

    2 Tim 3:5 – “having a form of godliness but denying its power.”

    Spenglergeist

    (with respect to another post about anonymous comments, I sign my name, but include Spenglergeist – “in the spirit of Spengler” as a concerned, interested layman. With respect to this post, Lazarus Spengler was a distant relative of mine, if that means anything….)

  21. Todd # 23,
    Dutch~Heidi Lynne (Gray) Stoeberl. Or at Intrepid, Mrs. Heidi Stoeberl, if memory serves.
    Just please, I beg ya’ll, please just call me Dutch-10 years in, I answer to that & that get’a my attention in crowd, more often than not. It should, who would yell or direct that anyways?!

    It’s just what I prefer, not to hide behind, it’s just my simple choice. I’ve linked to my FB. Not like 5-6 yrs of me posting, is in any question. Yet, since the question has been called, it’s the best I can do.

    Nothing can be lost, and nought found, if sought. I wish, things were as they used to be. I don’t know what to do now, what to say now, what to do now.

    Hence post #13. If wiser & more steadfast, when life was fleeting for them, were willing to state such, & make sure it was their legacy, what excuse can any of us, really have?!

    I am most blest, it was mine! We taught our boys’ by such!!!

  22. If you took out the specifics of what denominations this guy was talking about, I might guess just by the verbiage that he’s a Westboro Baptist. So much for a civil disagreement, but he never openly says “Be tolerant”, even though of course that’s the position of his church. Notice how he has a very strict interpretation of how a church he isn’t a part of does communion. Wonder why he doesn’t take that approach to his theology.

  23. Mary :Oh good grief. This from my local paper, The St Louis Post Dispatch:
    http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/controversy-over-newtown-vigil-exposes-divisions-among-lutherans/article_15397b42-0abe-5cc5-ad56-e730040a0d98.html
    This website is a big whipping boy for Tim Townsend
    Quotes from scholars most of whom wanted to be anonymous? And Matthew Becker? “I would hope that this latest action by Harrison would be sufficient to lead LCMS electors to remove him from the office of president and to replace him with someone who is wiser and more evangelical,” said the Rev. Matthew Becker, interim pastor at Immanuel Lutheran Church in Michigan City, Ind. And this gem from Pr Seidler from Concordia Kirkwood (MO)Seidler said that Lutherans “will not soon forget the heavy-handed reproof of a young pastor who interceded for the little children. It is quite possible Matt Harrison is a one-term president.”

    How/why would the Post Dispatch quote something from Dr. Becker? He’s not in St. Louis or part of the LCMS hierarchy. Very suspicious.

  24. @30 Tim Schenks:
    I also would like to know where they got the quotes from a BJS post that was removed within hours of it’s initial positing? On a technical basis I don’t know how it works. Is there a way to access the removed posts? Did someone go to Townsend with the information about BJS and he went and found it, or did they send him screen shots, or did someone cut and paste and send him the information? Did someone from the outset hope that they could make a big deal about the comments found here and saved them?

  25. If this stuff happens at Inrepid Lutherans, how long did we all think we had here at BJS?

    Courage comes from Him. The action of truth & bravery, that’s what we have by & through Him.

    We know the risks we run, in doing what we all of done for so many years, here at BJS.
    I am afraid of quite a bit, yet not anything that what we do or we post, or sign our names to here, for Confessional Lutherans, can, do, or are willing to defend, no way.

    How could we? Let those who will compromise do so, we don’t, haven’t, & won’t. Firey darts, never come from the world, they come from those who say they are not a part of it, yet when His light lays it bare, those are the ones that hurt & harm. Battered, bruised, bloodied, & battle weary we may be, on more fronts, any of us would or may post here, all we are asked to do, is just…to stand. Ck your feet, make sure the are still planted. It’s all He ever asked of us!

  26. @Paul Faulkner #5
    Paul –
    I don’t condone the comments you referenced, but a key player in the establishment of BJS once told me when I said virtually the exact same words about the words being thrown at Pres. Kieschnick, “tough, if you’re going to run for the Synodical President, that comes with the territory and you’d better be strong enough to handle it. If you’re not, you shouldn’t be the President.”

  27. Paul: @Charles Henrickson #19 Perhaps if there had been rebukes of these extreme comments he might not have chosen them?

    I doubt it. In fact, I would not be surprised if Townsend were fed those extreme quotes by people with a certain agenda. Like Mary Kruta (#31) said, “I also would like to know where they got the quotes from a BJS post that was removed within hours of its initial posting.”

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