Thoughts from a Young Pastor

photo-2I’m a young Pastor. I’m not apologetic about it. It is what it is. I haven’t been through the wars. I haven’t seen all that there is too see. I haven’t been in the old fashion trenches. There is much respect that should be given to those who have. I respect them immensely. That is, I respect those who have been through the wars and come out on the other side as confessional and evermore steadfast in the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. I haven’t seen what many think should be seen to gain any kind of “creditability.” Fine. Fair enough. But the attitude that we young Pastors have nothing to offer is not only false but it is also unscriptural.

I don’t have the worldly experience that seems to be the common mandatory stigma for the synod at large. But what we young Pastors do have is an unwavering confession to the Scriptures and a Quia subscription to the confessions. Only from this platform can we young Pastors gain any experience that is worthwhile. Paul wrote to Timothy, “Let no one despise you of your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.” That sounds like most of the guys that I graduated with from CTS and most of the young contributors at BJS. Okay, yes we have not yet gone through the wars. But there is a foundation here that cannot be moved. That foundation is that young Pastors, like Timothy, must be an example in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity. Let it be so, my fellow young brothers of the office. May God let it be so.

We don’t have the experience that some may see is required. Okay. Then what shall we do? The answer is confess. Confess the faith unabashedly and in confidence in what we have been training for, for most of our lives. Confess because the wars are coming. The experience is coming. Even Satan himself is coming. My cry here is for we, little Timothy’s, to be constant in the face of what is coming. My friend Pastor Donavon Riley gave me the best advice for a young Pastor, “Pray the Litany, a lot. Stick your nose in the Psalms, a lot. Trust that the cross and the affliction will find you without your help.” Take this to heart my blessed friends, and for you older Pastors take understanding from the same. Do we have a different confession? Do we not confession the same Christ? If you take insult from our youth, take also insult from the letter written to Timothy. Let us have no half measures.

I would also like to gift (not my gift) in the form of a letter from a senior Pastor to a younger Pastor: “I have read your letter and I don’t believe you are suffering a crisis of morality or of morale, but something more serious. You are afflicted by fear and loathing, which is not uncommon in these times that young men are taught by punks and pompous farts that pastors are people who “get things done,” and “make things happen.” What a disaster. The fact is babies are born squalling, people die neglected, and in between the parenthesis of birth, death, and new birth, human ambiguity: adolescents making an unholy mess of growing up and their parents muddling through as guilty bystanders. Then there is weather-worn holiness, stunningly beautiful graveside prayers, sacrificial love surfacing from the tangled emotions of a broken family, a hymn sung in the night, foretastes of the feast to come, the sullen betrayal of a bored spouse quietly redeemed from years of self-imposed self-worship by forgiveness and grace: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; all of this mixed together, churning, aching for that day … That is God’s will, and that is also why I shoot into the darkness at anything that moves. Sooner or later, I will hit the evil one, and feel no guilt … the war-drums roll, and the bugles howl for blood, and the fat is in the fire. So get ready for it, brother. Buckle up and watch your back at all times. We are at war, and it may last a long time, but we have Christ’s own promise, that cannot fail, and the gates of hell cannot prevail against Christ our strength and Christ our might … People go crazy from fear and loathing, but not us, brother, not us. We preach Christ, perfect love and hope, double-barreled, and we will blow the enemies head off!”

The war is coming. Be faithful, my dear brothers. But be reminded that Christ is our strength and Christ is our might. Be not afraid of the evil one nor the devil of “inexperience.” Confesses boldly and proudly. Be young. Make mistakes. But let no one despise you of your youth! Confess, my brothers! Confess. For there is no power in hell nor on earth that can overcome our Lord Jesus Christ. Confess him proudly and boldly. Confess. Let us have no half measures.


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Thoughts from a Young Pastor — 53 Comments

  1. We were all young once, Pastor Mize.
    Some tend to forget it, and some might wish they could repeat their early years and “do better”.
    I don’t envy you as young Pastors (my grandson is coming out of CTS this spring). I think you will have a tougher row to hoe than many before you, with opposition and unbelief within the walls as well as outside the church.
    God bless and keep you!

  2. …in these times that young men are taught by punks and pompous farts that pastors are people who “get things done,” and “make things happen.” lol That would be funnier if not so often true.

    Thank you, Pastor. I need to spend more time over here and less at ALPB with those punks and pompous old farts.

    Wisdom doesn’t always come with age; sometimes age arrives alone.

    But not if you stick with your “unwavering confession to the Scriptures and a Quia subscription to the confessions.”

  3. Thanks for the encouragement. It’s something that older people in the midwest feel they have right to look down on young people and just forget what it was like when they were their age. My former senior pastor (who faced a lot of problems in our congregation) was criticized because of his age, and he was in his mid-thirties when he came hear. Granted he faced a crisis, but it had more to do with the congregation and principal than him. He wasn’t a good fit for us, but that was because of his internal qualities, not his age. He’s since left and found a better fit, and so have we.

  4. Great reminder … Confess Christ. Don’t make excuses to dilute Him or reject Him.

  5. Thanks, Gaven. I appreciate your post. Too often, I’ve noticed, seminary students and young pastors are instructed to “be careful.” Having been in the parish for less than two years now–I also must cite my lack of experience–, I don’t think this instruction has helped all that much. Rather than “be careful,” which my mother instructed me well to do, the young pastor should concentrate on standing firmly on God’s Word and, as you say, CONFESS. If the young pastor can learn to get over himself, and let God “be careful,” confessing is not very difficult to do. Christ’s yoke is actually quite easy. But if he learns to make concessions when he is young, and curry favor with important people, he will never quit, and he will have a very difficult time taking a stand in the future.

    Be bold! God’s people will love you for it! And, what is more, God will bless you!

  6. I am an old layman who has reached an age where all pastors eligible for a call are younger than I am.

    The holder of the office, regardless of age or experience, is due the proper respect of the office.

    Pastors of all ages and experience must, themselves demonstrate that they respect the office.

  7. Well said Pastor!
    What many here far many I wager, would pray to have much, pass you by & not allow you to see or know!
    That would not serve you, your vocation, or Him, much at all.
    It does make one shudder, though & it should. Why would anyone ever, ask to show or inflict what needs to be, in order to shepherd.

    I admire Pastors, age is no gauge. He is.

    Well said!!!
    Pax

  8. Pastor Mize, hearing such a solid confession from younger men (who soon enough will be older men, themselves) gives me great comfort. You carry the cross of Christ boldly and well.

  9. What pastors new and old need to do is to visit, listen, and love.

    Members usually assume that their pastors will teach and preach the truth.
    They want to know if their pastor loves them.

  10. Richard Lewer :
    Members usually assume that their pastors will teach and preach the truth.

    That is a reasonable assumption. Too bad members are so often disappointed to discover they have a pastor who does not believe the Confessions — and therefore doubts some of the Scriptures.

    They want to know if their pastor loves them.

    A pastor who seems to love the flock is nice, but you could have a Mormon pastor, or even a pagan, who appears to love you. Holding the perceived love of the pastor to be of more importance than teaching the Word of God puts you in danger of supporting a personality cult. You can search the Scriptures to be sure what he is teaching you is true (Acts 17:11), but you cannot see into his heart to know if his love is sincere. (Even if the speaker is not sincerely teaching the Word, the Holy Spirit will still work through the Word. God’s Word is powerful, regardless of who speaks it.)

  11. @Richard Lewer #10

    A pastor that preaches the truth–he is the one who really loves his flock. Someone who buds up with everyone but fails to preach Christ crucified does not love his flock. Someone who preaches how-to and fails to rightly divide Law and Gospel does not love his flock. The pastor who refuses to administer the Sacraments according to Christ’s institution really doesn’t love his flock. Sorry if that sounds harsh. But, the hymn “Preach You The Word” sums it up. Check out the first couple stanzas out here:
    “1 Preach you the Word and plant it home To men who like or like it not, The Word that shall endure and stand When flow’rs and men shall be forgot.”
    “2 WE know how hard, O Lord, the task Your servant bade us undertake: To preach Your Word and never ask What prideful profit it may make.”(LSB 586, sts. 1-2) It’s a perfect not only for congregational singing when the lectionary calls for it. But, it’s a great hymn to sing at ordinations since it proclaims the ministry like it is, as Christ calls men into it.

  12. In these growing churches of today– and I acquainted myself with as many of these ministers as I could — the prima donna complex was absent from the church’s leadership. And we know what that’s all about, too. I walk into that church with my phony Holy Joe voice: “I want to know that I’m your pastor, and I expect the respect given to a man of the cloth.” Forget it. They will give you respect and they will give you honor and they will give you love, but you’ve got to be human; you’ve got to really get in there and be one of them and work with them and love them and really love them.

    And don’t expect all these goodies that sometimes we expect before we become pastors. “It’s got to be my way.” That’s the prima donna. “It’s got to be my way. I know. After all, don’t I have an M.Div.? I am intelligent. I know words you don’t know. I know all about Pieper and Walther.” Know all about Pieper and Walther. Thank God you’re educated and you didn’t go through a Bible school for sixteen months and got a master’s degree. Be thankful that you know some Greek. Be thankful that you have a little Hebrew and thankful that you know everything you know. But you go in there as their servant, as their humble servant, as a human being who’s there to serve.

    I always told my five congregations in those 24 years — and I’ve had two vacancies since in the five years I’ve been a professor — I’ve always told them, “I want you to know that I’m one vote on everything but one thing and that’s on the Scripture and there I’m the majority.” Then I would always hold up my call and say, “See, that’s what you want me to be.” Now sometimes it’s difficult not to speak up if you like to talk about church roofs and they’re putting on a church roof and if you know something about roofing. Well, go ahead, but let them treat you just like they would anybody else at that voters’ meeting if you’ve got something to say about the roof. Oh my, the problems that we had when they wanted a red rug and we wanted a yellow rug — and I kept my mouth shut — and we ended up with a green rug.

    Well, the point is that’s alright. And I’ll speak up now and then on a roof. And I’ll speak up now or then on this or that. But I’m one vote. But when it comes to the Word of God, that’s my job. And as long as I’m faithful to it, that’s the majority. No prima donna complex.

    And gentlemen, you know this because you’re parish pastors. The kind of a model you set and the kind of life that you exhibit will filter down to them. And if you’re formal, they’re formal. If you’re easy and relaxed, but serious, so will they be. If you’re a prima donna, well, you’re going to lose a lot of blessings. They’ll give you the honor. And these men weren’t. These men weren’t loose in that sense, but they were relaxed and they were gentlemen. And they were brothers.

    There’s a man who’s on the Board of Higher Education. The other day, for the first time I met him — he’s my boss you know –and as I went to meet him, he came over and he hugged me. Hey, I thought that was terrific. My boss hugging me. I’m not suggesting you hug all the people in your church, but the point is that kind of an attitude that you really care.

    William G. Houser (CTS faculty, 1975-93)
    Church Growth Institute
    “Characteristics of Growing Churches”
    Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana
    1979

  13. Since when is there a disconnect between teaching the truth and demonstrating respect and love for your people by your words and actions?

    If you don’t visit and actually listen to them and love them, you will not get much experience. You will just live in your own echo chamber. Houser got it right.

    Let us have no false contrast between doctrine and showing respect and love for others, especially our members. Read Paul’s letters to his churches. He shows respect and love and understanding, even while reprimanding. He even finds ways to express praise and love for the Corinthians.

  14. Pastor Mize . . .

    You wrote a fine article – I said so in comment #1. Most comments afterward were likewise positive and encouraging, and that is the only true response to what you have written. As I said – “good pop!”

    That some feel the need to be contrary in whatever conversation has always amazed and amused me. When I read what you wrote I thought to myself “this is pretty much unassailable.” Wrongo. Several comments came along that pretty much amount to “thread hijacking” – they mounted their own imagined pulpit and said words in favor of precisely what they were decrying. Irony can be somewhat hilarious sometimes.

    In any case . . .

    My young Brother in Arms – being faithful to the revelation of God in Scripture and the revered Confessions which echo the hopes and dreams of the Most Holy Church of all ages, is the right and ancient path (Jer. 6:16). Stay with it. You have learned well. There will always be critics with some other agenda – one does not preach but for a few weeks to discover that simple reality. It is not good because it works, it is good because it is true.

    I Timothy 4:16 always applies. That is our burden, and our joy.

    You captured that, all critics aside. Thank you.

    Rev. Jeff Baxter

  15. The Word of God is certainly the prime example to follow, and the young reverend has cited excellent examples. One of my favorites from the secular world, is Pitt the Elder’s reply to Lord Walpole:
    “The atrocious crime of being a young man, which the honorable gentleman has, with such spirit and decency, charged upon me, I shall neither attempt to palliate nor deny, but content myself with wishing that I may be one of those whose follies may cease with their youth, and not of that number who are ignorant in spite of experience…The wretch who, after having seen the consequences of a thousand errors, continues still to blunder, and whose age has only added obstinacy to stupidity, is surely the object of either abhorrence or contempt, and deserves not that his gray hairs should secure him from insult.”

  16. jb # 15

    Yes, the article is unassailable. We rejoice in the fine confessional pastors coming from our seminaries. I do not see anything contrary to that in the comments. Sound doctrine and knowing and and understanding and loving your people are not contrary to each other. They go together.

  17. @Richard Lewer #17

    Richard – you were not commenting, nor was Houser commenting – you both were prescribing to the rest of us. Whatever the other Brethren might have to say, i simply reject it all. Unnecessary, and not even pertinent.

    We pastors know better than anyone what has to happen in the parish. I am sure over 99% do what is necessary, and we should celebrate the 99% – and not highlight the less than 1% who fail to do so, nor – moralize on a Pastor’s proper role. Let me put it bluntly:

    Stop.

    Pastor Mize’s article was indeed unassailable – yet you did assail it with your moralization. He spoke of Gospel, you and Houser spoke of Law. You mentioned “disconnect” – and it was your very own words that created such a disconnect. I am not at all sure why Houser responded – his posting read more like an advertisement.

    Pastor Mize wrote an excellent article. Why is it so hard for you to just simply say so? Carol, whom I took in as a new member yesterday, and Douglas – who was for 20 years caught up in the Church Growth – both said yesterday . . .

    I was never really taught the Gospel until now.

    As Pastor Mize most properly said about being “down in the trenches” – I love my flock and they love me – and I know the trenches well. Ephesians 6:12 sums up the battle well.

    While I am not making any accusation – please do not question my love for my flock, nor that of any pastor. Don’t even go there. You don’t even know . . .

    It always amazes (and amuses me, as I said above) that some need to steer a discussion to themselves. Pastor Mize got it right. Takes notes and learn.

    Pastor Mize will learn many things in the coming years, even though this article clearly shows he has learned much and deserves credit for what he does know, even at his young age. I was there once – and he will ONLY learn them by being among his flock, not being preached to by others.

    All I can say is to caution your comments with simple respect for another human being – I am not even saying you need to do so for a “pastor” although most of us pastors are human beings, too! 🙂

    Peace in XP

    jb

  18. Still not sure why you are taking such umbrage at the idea that pastors should visit, know, and love their people. I agree with everything the young pastor said. I rejoice in our young confessional pastors. Just sharing the experience of a long lifetime. Not accusing anyone of anything. I rejoice in our young confessional pastors. I also grieve over one close to me who was removed from office to the depths of CRM for being young and confessional.

  19. Richard –

    You choose to call it umbrage, so be it Your terms. You admit, likewise, that your reason for complaining, which you did, is apparent in your last sentence of your last post.

    Be that as it may, that is not a reason for your original words:

    <em?What pastors new and old need to do is to visit, listen, and love.

    Members usually assume that their pastors will teach and preach the truth.
    They want to know if their pastor loves them.

    You admitted yourself, in your own words, Pastor Mize’s posting was unassaiblable.

    Good! Leave it at that.

    Yours in XP – jb

  20. jb,
    Thank so very much, for posting those verses, in Sola Scriptura!!!!
    Great for this post & was quite the balm for me!!!
    (Pastor Crandall, thank you bunches too, for your’s! I needed that one, the most!!!!!)
    I love BJS!!!!!
    Pax,
    Dutch

  21. jb, I’m still tryin got figure out what little speck threw you so badly. If anything, you rehashing and trying to “correct” Richard and othersis the biggest thing keeping it an issue. I thought we actually had a pleasant post and replies, especially considering a few others we have recently had.

  22. Dutch –

    Thank you, simply put.

    Your words give us “hod-carriers” – as E. J Otto liked to call us – encouragement.

    Pastor Mize, despite his youth ( I am an old fart)) showed he sat well at the feet of his masters.

    We do what we are called to do. There is not a Pastor reading my words that does not know we catch flack for everything. Hells bells, we catch more flack for things we never say, and never do.

    That’s okay with me – I will preach Law and Gospel as I know is proper to do, until the Lord decides my heart is no longer needed to beat. The world mocks our treasure – we often make light of it. I have my flock – they know that and my Bride and I get more hugs every Sunday than most can imagine.

    I, nor Pastor Mize, need instructions. We get it.

    We are in the trenches.

    jb

  23. I still don’t know where jb is finding “complaining.” I was agreeing and adding some supplementary advice, not addressed to anyone in particular, based on a lifetime of experience. That is what old guys do. The article was great. I never disagreed with anything in it.

  24. Richard Lewer :
    What pastors new and old need to do is to visit, listen, and love.
    Members usually assume that their pastors will teach and preach the truth.
    They want to know if their pastor loves them.

    Visit … in order to teach the pure doctrine, right? Listen … and then teach the pure doctrine, right? Love … by teaching the pure doctrine, right?

    Love…

    Reminds me of what Pastor Brand told his pietistic wife when she scolded him for not being “loving” enough:

    Of what the paltering world calls love
    I will not know, I cannot speak.
    I know but his Who reigns above,
    And His is neither mild nor weak–
    Hard, even unto death is this,
    And smiting with its awful kiss!
    What was the answer of God’s love
    Of old, when in the olive grove,
    In anguished sweat His own Son lay
    And prayed, “O take this cup away!”
    Did God take from Him then the cup?
    No, child, His Son must drink it up!

    Love? Sounds like doctrine to me!

  25. Yes, to teach pure doctrine. That is what we are called to do and expected to do. We want to know them well enough to know how best to present the true doctrine so they will understand and make it their own. Real Law comes when we know them well enough to make it stick. Real Gospel come when we know the real guilts that that Gospel needs to reach.

    Also, because we like them and want to know their fears and faults, desires and failures, etc.

    In any case, we should at all times uphold the truth as the writer says. I meant to add, not detract from the fine article.

  26. Jason –

    My friend – no “speck” – Pastor Mize wrote a great post. There is no reason for the negative responses of anyone.

    Everyone here should credit the Young Son.

    Some need to be critical, I don’t cotton to either – neither their criticisms nor the reasons.

    They have nothing to do with Jesus nor me. And Lord – saying that will get matters going.

    Gaven – good post. As I began matters – Young Son – ya done good.! Thanks.

  27. The flip side of this is that it can be uncomfortable and humbling for a middle-aged layman such as myself to submit to and obey a younger man.

    And yet to do so unquestionably makes us better Christians. I, for one, am grateful for our talented, well-educated and energetic young pastors. I always need to remind myself to be very gentle when giving feedback to the pastor, give him the benefit of the doubt and listen more than I talk.

    Also, treating the pastor with great respect regardless of his age sets a great example for the rest of the congregation.

  28. Let us never get lost in the fog of indifference because we are young. Standfast to the truth, take your lumps, move forward holding God’s word aloft. Even though the worst may happen let’s be judged as faithful stewards of Christ’s precious gifts to His beloved people. Always baring in mind that Satan surrounds us like a prowling lion. Even the gift “experience” can be a tool in Satan’s arsonal. Where the shepherd goes, so goes the sheep. Stand.

  29. One does himself and his flock a grevious error even a damning one, who dare to separate love and pure doctrine. To speak pure doctrine is love at it’s most precious. Why? Because it’s nothing other than Christ. To you. For you. Let the nits pick themselves.

  30. Matt –

    Spot on – your words!

    One of my closing points in this coming Sunday’s sermon on Luke 4:16-30 –

    I have one goal in this life – it is a two-part goal. The first is St. Paul’s declaration that He was determined to know nothing among you except Christ and Him crucified. And the other is my whole purpose for being in Palacios – is to get all of you to Heaven. Period.

    I am reading and watching the Young Sons our Synod has produced at the Seminaries, and I am very much heartened. Those Young Sons may be preaching to me in my old age (which isn’t that far off), and I know my soul will be fed.

    Yours in XP –

    jb

  31. I am honored to have had young pastors like Pastor Mize as my students. All of you will indeed face a spiritual war ……and I frankly have NO confidence in any of you. However, I do have confidence in the Word and Sacraments committed to your hands and that you will be faithful to death in the confession of Jesus Christ. For that reason I am certain that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Bride of Christ. The Bridegroom Himself will win that war.

    My generation has made a mess of things, I am afraid. Mine is a self-centered generation that the Church has survived only by the grace of God. Yet somehow we have managed to pass on to the next generation the immeasurable treasure that is the Gospel. Guard it well in the years to come. The challenges will be many but you are the called of God. Into your hands I commit those that I love and must someday leave behind. Preach the Word. Love all people as precious lambs for whom the Savior has died and risen. Never be a hireling but always a shepherd.

    I am humbled to know that the Holy Office has survived me. God is indeed good and gracious and will see you through all with which the world, the devil and your flesh will assault you. You are His servants.

  32. Ch, Capt. Gard is a treasure of the Lord’s church. He taught me how to preach, and that’s saying something. It’s hard to teach anything to a know-it-all blowhard.

    Thank you! Without your self-centered generation I’d know nothing of Christ and His gifts.

  33. I would like to echo Pastor Lehmann here. I am grateful for Dr. Gard and the many professors who give up a life in the parish for the sake of molding and forging the minds and hearts if young Pastors. Our prayers need to be with them as they continue their tasks cultivating the Lord’s vine-men. I also want to thank you folks for your positive comments on my article. Pax Christi!

  34. This article and the other two associated with it are so whiny and full of self pity they make me sick. I am a young pastor as well (actually a year younger than you). So what. I am no more or less valuable than any other pastor. This whole things sounds like false humility and an attempt to build up yourself just because you are young and feel that you have some sort of better perspective on things. Please go back to work and care for the people God has given you. If you want respect, earn it, just like every other pastor before you.

  35. @Pastor Gaven Mize #36
    You jinxed it by thanking folks for the positive comments. Now look, we have courageous criticisms coming from anonymous folks!

    These recent posts in defense of (if you can call them that) young pastors are a result of the “experiential” arguments that have been posted here on BJS in comments for the past couple years that I can recollect. Todd Wilken’s recent article is by his own admission not self serving, and frankly with the encouragement found in this one I find it very odd that an even younger pastor would be sickened by it. I truly hope that Frank can find remedy for his sickness or he can reread this and see the encouragement that is found in it.

    Thank you Dr. Gard for your complete lack of faith in the younger pastors and complete faith in our Lord to accomplish things – you teach us even after we have “graduated”.

  36. @Frank #37

    Frank,

    With all due respect, it seems that you missed the main thrust of Pastor Mize’s article.

    Pastor Mize is addressing the stigma that is sometimes attached to young pastors, the stigma that because of age they may not have the respect, experience, and so forth that is sometimes deemed necessary for the pastorate. If this would’ve been the only thing he stated in the article, I would agree with your assessment of the article… that it was whiny. However, in response to the age stigma and age ad hominem argument, notice how Pastor Mize elevates the dialogue above the category of age to the idea of Confessing Christ. Notice how the dialogue is directed away from demographic categories to the idea of Confessing the Word and the Lutheran Confessions. Is this not something that we can rejoice, unite, and cherish together across demographical lines?

    God’s grace and peace to you my friend as you work and care for the people God has given you by Confessing Christ and Him Crucified. May you and I be kept in the steadfast confession regardless of whether or not we obtain respect.

    Pastor Matt Richard

  37. I loved the article! My favorite line, without question, was:

    “I shoot into the darkness at anything that moves. Sooner or later, I will hit the evil one.”

    I have no commentary to add other than God’s Blessings and Strength be to all pastors, both young and old, who preach with beautiful feet!

    Adam Born
    Layman

  38. @Adam Born #42
    Well said, Adam. I’m glad you see the spirit and heart of the article. Christ’s blessings to you as you continue to receive the gifts of our Lord through His Word and Sacraments.

  39. @Frank #37

    Frank,

    You wrote:

    This article and the other two associated with it are so whiny and full of self pity they make me sick.

    I don’t see anything particularly “whiny” about any of the posts you find so sickening.

    Perhaps I’m not understanding what you mean by “whiny and full of self pity.”

    Please give me an example or two of what you’re talking about. Feel free to take your examples from my post, These Young Confessors.

    TW

  40. i am sure dear pastor Mize that there have been times that you have been whiney. It just happened to NOT be in this article is all. 😉

    So that is sorta like a drug dealer getting falsely arrested for drug dealing at a moment when he was not dealing drugs and complaining about the injustice of his false arrest.

    We both confess that we are sinful and unclean every sunday. I dont know about you, but that would include, at least a few times a month, being guilty of the sin of being whinney.

    Better to just cop to the sin, give thanks for the broad brush of the Law, and surrender to the Holy Gospel ! Now that would be shooting in the dark at anything that moves! And ALL we do is ALL full of Old Adam and the darkness he is (FC art I ) that simply must only die.

    God bless you pastor Mize!

  41. i am sure dear pastor Mize that there have been times that you have been whiney. It just happened to NOT be in this article is all. 😉

    So that is sorta like a drug dealer getting falsely arrested for drug dealing at a moment when he was not dealing drugs and complaining about the injustice of his false arrest.

    We both confess that we are sinful and unclean every sunday. I dont know about you, but , for me at least….that would include, at least a few times a month, being guilty of the sin of being whinney.

    Better to just cop to the sin, give thanks for the broad brush of the Law, and surrender to the Holy Gospel ! Now that would be shooting in the dark at anything that moves! And ALL we do is ALL full of Old Adam and the darkness he is (FC art I ) that simply must only die.

    God bless you pastor Mize!

  42. @fws #46
    Sure, I can be whiny. Why not? But more importantly I do repent and privatly Confess to my Father confessor and he brings (proclaims) the Gospel to me wonderfully. Another, must for Young Pastors. Private confession brings the forgives of sins and also a humble spirit for young guys who can be full of themselves. But, I agree with you that in this article the intent was not to be whiny or self serving, but to remind young Pastors to hold on to the rock (scripture and confessions) because the experience by fire is coming. And when we are on the other side of that experience we will still hold in our hand the precious things of Christ.

  43. @Pastor Gaven Mize #48

    Why not?

    It is contrary to the Law of God. So you simply need to stop whining. It is lawful, however it is not useful 1 cor 6

    Confessing to receive the Absolutionn IS the “more importantly” part! And we would go to hell even for such a confession apart from the Works of Another that our wretched confession is hidden in.

    what a wonderful confession pastor. you are right. On the other side of the fire that is all that will be left. Now that is mercy eh?

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