New Video about Change in the LCMS

Using Jim Pierces intro to this video, “My friend Eric Comstock has put together yet another well done and thought provoking video simply titled “The LCMS.” The video asks us, “Is change possible?” I think change is possible, but there are definitely question marks over the “if, when, and how” it is going to occur.”

Video about the LCMS from E C on Vimeo.

About Norm Fisher

Norm was raised in the UCC in Connecticut, and like many fell away from the church after high school. With this background he saw it primarily as a service organization. On the miracle of his first child he came back to the church. On moving to Texas a few years later he found a home in Lutheranism when he was invited to a confessional church a half-hour away by our new neighbors.

He is one of those people who found a like mind in computers while in Middle School and has been programming ever since. He's responsible for many websites, including the Book of Concord,, and several other sites.

He has served the church in various positions, including financial secretary, sunday school teacher, elder, PTF board member, and choir member.

More of his work can be found at


New Video about Change in the LCMS — 18 Comments

  1. I, too, like #1 watched the other video as well. Concerning the clip of the Synod Gathering, what was its context? Was it a Divine Service (the same context as the Highter Things clip) or some type of entertainment? If the Synod Gathering clip wasn’t one of a Divine Service, then it is unfair to juxtapose the two. We ought to compare apples with apples. The Higher Things Conference (which I attended) spent an evening of entertainment at the Wild Horse Saloon in downtown Nashville. It was a lot of fun–it was a country/rock concert–and it looked similiar to the clip shown of the Synod Gathering (although a smaller scale). If we’re not comparing apples to apples in that short video, then we need to do so. It’s unfair to both organizations. We’ll never get further in talking through our differences in the Synod if we keep making untruthful and unhelpful comparisions.

  2. @Scott #3

    this was discussed on another thread of BJS but I don’t remember where. Maybe the great zen master Norm will be able to put the link in..??

  3. I would also point out the the Synod youth gathering agenda/schedule change at least one event from being listed as a worship service to the generic label “mass event” after people figure out that it was going to be some sort of a skit or play or something.

  4. A couple interesting videos from the NYG this year.

    This video is billed as part of a “worship service” by the person who uploaded it. The end of the video seems to confirm that. Is this really worship?

    This video is billed as part of a “worship service” by the person who uploaded it. Is this the sort of contemporary worship we want to teach our children? Btw, read the comment section of this video.

    This video is billed by the person uploading it as part of the closing night “mass event.” What is a “mass event?” Would this confuse our youth as to what a “mass” (aka divine service) is as taught in our Lutheran confessions?

  5. @Jim Pierce #9
    Oh come on man, this is just my generation’s style 😉 You know… we prefer it like a fish prefers water.

    Seriously, it’s a shame that this is all some will ever know.

  6. Higher Things: When we work we work. When we play we play. When we worship we worship. (And worship is defined rather clearly in the “gottesdienst” sense.)
    NYG: Ummm…..

    Watched the clip from the Tuesday evening thingie. On its own, not a horrible thing–a bit cheesy, melodramatic. Not as Sacrament-focused as it oughta be. That whole hymn is about the Supper, including “Rank on rank the host of heaven spreads its vanguard on the way…” Nice to see that they actually had an orchestra of sorts, not just the cliche praise band. But, was this used in connection with the actual Sacrament/Divine Service? There was a vested pastor shown at the end, you saw. That definitely means not “mass event” but “worship.” Or is *that* what they mean by “Mass” event?

  7. I know a number of youth who have grown up on contemporary worship. When met with the liturgical sections of the worship service at the NYG they were clueless and tuned out. There were some very familiar hymns and portions of the Divine Service present and they simply had no idea what was going on. Sad. They have been taught that worship must be “entertaining, fun, relevant, and emotionally engaging.”

  8. Let me see if I get it. Keischnick is the creep in the LCMS, creating ablaze-book to help make LCMS popular with the cool kids in Americanevangelicalism, but Harrison is a big competitor, ruining his plans, trying to make us sing Gerhardt instead of Radiohead like they do at the NYG?

    Whatever. Not helpful.

    But I’m a creep,
    I’m a weirdo
    What the hell am I doin’ here?
    I don’t belong here…

  9. Was the inclusion of former LCMS president Kieschnick in the video meant to make him look like a fool? You bet. I do think it would have been classier to show footage of him in interfaith prayer at Yankee Stadium. Was it fair? He introduced and promoted the Methobapticostal church heresies and took great pride in doing so. So I would say yes.

    Can Harrison wake the sleeping giant and return the LCMS to confessional Lutheranism? That was what many viewers of the video would like to see. Much reform is needed at CSL. Regarding the small study groups at various LCMS churches: Where are the confessional Lutheran authors?

    What’s the harm in contemporary worship? Can the most ardent defender of contemporary worship and “Church Growth” see how Lutheran doctrine has been abandoned? If I want watered-down, non-denominational theology, I will join a non-denominational church and not a (sort of) Lutheran church that is “Lutheran in name only”.

  10. I would be very impressed indeed if you came up with video of Pr. Kieschnick in interfaith prayer at Yankee Stadium. I think the swipe at Kieschnick is unnecessary and mean, particularly given the background music. The task now before us in confessional Lutheranism is to persuade others of the values of the gifts that we have received through this tradition. Pr. Harrison is a master of this and has always spoken kindly of Pr. Kieschnick and humbly of himself. We would do well to follow his example.

  11. That same video with Pr. Kieschnick and Pr. Harrison edited out would still be disturbing. Good point, Matt. I retract my comments upstream about Pr. Kieschnick. Please forgive me. Let us all forget who was once in charge. That no longer matters. Where to go from here?

    As the “worship wars” began in many LCMS congregations many years ago, who would have thought it would lead to LCMS pastors abandoning confessional Lutheran doctrine in favor of the theology of Beth Moore, Rob Bell, et al? Can the most passionate promoter of guitar and drum praise bands see what has happened? Rather than tell “Church Growth” congregations “I told you so!”, what should they do now? Is a plan to reform the synod in place? If so, would it be effective. The video begs the question.

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