In the market for a new house near St. Louis?

I haven’t heard what former Synodical President Gerald Kieschnick plans to do post-presidency, but it looks like it may not happen in St. Louis. The local “Blockshopper” had an article about the house he just put up for sale there:

Former Lutheran synod president lists Sunset Hills 3BD

by Scott Johnson, published Sept. 7, 2010

Rev. Dr. Gerald B. Kieschnick and Terry Lee Kieschnick have listed for sale a three-bedroom, 4.5-bath home at 8847 Gladlea Drive in Sunset Hills for $648,000.

The Kieschnicks paid $549,450 for the property in Sept. 2001. The 5,011-square-foot house was built in 1989 in North of 255. It is located in the Gladlea Cove subdivision. Anne Dunajcik of Keller William Realty is the listing agent for the home.

Rev. Dr. Kieschnick served as the president of Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod for a three-year term starting in Sept. 2001. Prior to that, he was president of the Synod’s Texas District for 10 years. He also served that district as a circuit counselor from 1978-81 and as director of public relations from 1977-86. Prior to his Texas District presidency, he was the director of development of the Lutheran Foundation of Texas from 1986-88 and then served as its executive director from 1988-91.

He received his B.S. from Texas A&M University. He also graduated from Concordia Theological Seminary in Springfield, Illinois, and received his master of divinity degree from Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He also received an honorary doctor of laws degree from Concordia University in Austin, Texas.

According to BlockShopper.com, there have been 85 home sales in Sunset Hills during the past 12 months, with a median sales price of $227,5000.

Address: 8847 Gladlea Drive


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In the market for a new house near St. Louis? — 78 Comments

  1. Let’s see … 5,000 square feet living space, $550,000, 4.5 bathrooms, nice swimming pool for 2 people. Oooooh it’s nice to be king (strike that) SP.

    See also Matt 8:20.

  2. Mbw,
    That would be a fun little question, do Confessional Lutherans live more moderately & own smallish houses.
    Dutch’s tip when buying a home. If you kids are babies & wear doll size clothes, plan on them get bigger. Closets matter, even w/boys. lol

  3. Ok. boys and girls… he invested well. Had I bought the house in Sunset hills instead of a half mile away like I did you could be saying the same about me. I chose…..unwisely.

    Frankly I would be more interested if Mollie could do an interview and see what our out going SP intends to do now.

    let it go.

    John

  4. As I peruse these postings, something seems to be missing. At a recent pastors’ Bible study, delving into the text for the upcoming Sunday (Luke 14: 1ff) our Lord was invited to a Pharisee’s home, and many know how the thread of these discussions can turn. We wondered about hospitality customs at the time and the conversation eventually turned towards the Pastor’s Home. One colleague pointed out that the reason we are given a tax break is that a Pastor’s home is a sanctuary, a place also for his parish and the stranger, part of the Church. This has been so for 2,000 years: Pastors are enjoined by the Lord in Holy Scripture to practice hospitality: Titus 1: 8 and 1 Timothy 3: 2. Hospitality has been a mark of the pastorate. So a pastor’s home can be worth million dollars or be a double-wide in a trailer park or an apartment. It matters what he and his wife do with it in the service of Christ Jesus and His Church. I have no idea how President and Mrs. Kieschnick used their home in hospitality but we must “err” on the side of Luther’s teaching on the 8th commandment: he used it as a Christian pastor in service of his Lord.

  5. @Mollie #11
    Considering the Blockshopper as a news source is a bit of a stretch. It’s a site devoted to REAL ESTATE, of course they would publish such information.

    I didn’t realize that this site was supposed to be a one-stop Lutheran news site. I suppose in that regard it’s as balanced and fair as CNN or Fox News for that matter. I thought that this site was supposed to be about promoting the cause of confessional Lutheranism, something in which I truly believe. I was no fan of Pastor Kieschnick’s administration, but the pot shots, personal attacks, and pettiness toward the man that seem to run rampant on this site only help prove the negative things that the “moderates” have to say about the “confessionals”.

    I used to fully associate myself with the “confessionals”, but the more I read this site, the more I find myself wondering what sort of ship I have jumped into.

    @Helen #18

    Did I have any curiosity, sure, but I also find my curious about a whole host of things that are not beneficial to me (i.e. sin). As for “where the money is going”, President Kieschnick was paid the proper salary for the position that he held, would you begrudge him that? I don’t hear anyone complaining about the salary that Pastor Harrison will now be earning. If you don’t like how much the Synodical President gets paid fine, do something to change it, but don’t hold it against him for taking what was rightfully paid to him.

  6. All we can know from this adv. is that FORMER Pres. K. is selling his house. He may have had a big payment, and can’t handle it anymore, with his decrease in income. On the salary he had as SP, he should have been able to handle the payment. I thought I read that he is planning to stay in the St. Louis area. He may just be downsizing to a smaller, more practical place. Plus the taxes, utilities and maint. would be less on a smaller house.

    Its interesting that the pictures reflect a kind of show place, designed to impress. Doesn’t look like a place I’d like to live. Too worried about making a mess.

  7. From what I know, I believe President Kieschnick and his wife used this home for entertaining as part of his duties as president of Synod.

    Not that I entirely understand what that means, but I think that should also factor into the discussion here, too.

  8. Since this discussion has “regressed” into a discussion of the value of the home and the merit of a Synod President having a house of this value, I believe a reference to the salary of the Synod President would serve as a reference. Here is a link I found to the LCMS web site that discusses the President’s salary and benefits (realize that the article is from 2006, but you can get the idea):
    http://www.lcms.org/pages/rpage.asp?NavID=10524

    What I find the relavent point in the article I reference: “The maximum of the salary range for the four elected officers of the Synod and other executives in administration, higher education, and mission, plus chief executives at Lutheran Church Extension Fund, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod Foundation, Concordia Historical Institute, and Concordia Publishing House equals 152 percent of the average salaries of the 150 highest-paid parish pastors and 150 highest-paid executives of agencies and institutions of the Synod participating in the Concordia Retirement Plan.”

    By Synod guidelines (if one reads that paragraph correctly) is that ALL of the executives of Synod are NOT living on near poverty line wages AS A RULE! To single out President Emeritus Kieschnick or any other officer of synod for criticism on this basis is just wrong, in my book. I may disagree with him on issues, but President Harrison’s salary is going to fall in these same guidelines, as well as those of other synod officers….

  9. In my previous post, I said:”I may disagree with him on issues, but President Harrison’s salary is going to fall in these same guidelines, as well as those of other synod officers…”

    By the word “him” in that sentance, I mean President Emeritus Kiesnick, and not President Harrison. Kieschnick may have had his issues I disagreed with, but as long as his salary fell into Synod rules and guidelines, what level of housing he provides himself and his family is his discretion BY RULE!!

  10. @KDF #58
    President Kieschnick was paid the proper salary for the position that he held, would you begrudge him that?

    KDF,
    I am not noted for tact or diplomacy, so where I have offended you, I apologize.

    The Rev. Dr. Kieschnick grew up in Houston and no doubt visited River Oaks. But where I only enjoyed Miss Ima Hogg’s house as a tourist, perhaps he saw it as a goal.

    When friends were already out of jobs, GK asked for and got a raise. They “couldn’t live on $160,000” (plus more in expenses than any previous President, since previous Presidents paid their wife’s expenses themselves or left her at home).

    More parish Pastors than either of us would like to think of will never see $40,000, (never mind the country’s nicer hotels with their wives). Yes, I did think that was out of line, and yes, Scott’s right. I’m a sinner, especially on this subject.

    Pastor Harrison has stepped into a situation tailored by Kieschnick for Kieschnick.
    Bit disconcerting, all around! But given the mess, I expect he will be working pretty hard. [Having confessed now, I won’t fall into the same sin.] 🙂

    That alright with you, KDF?

  11. @Rahn Hasbargen #64
    So it behooves our top layer to push for another raise, because that will raise the level of pay for all of them! Nice club to get into.

    Top corporation executives operate the same way, aided by “headhunters” who make their commissions by keeping the musical chairs moving and the salaries going up. Lay at Enron is making so much, we’ll have to pay X at Y-Corp. more “or we’ll lose him”.
    Coaches do it, too. Mack Brown of UT got a $2 million raise to $5 million.
    [Meanwhile, the educational arm of the university is laying off and cutting its budget by order of the Governor.] Your state can say the same, no doubt!

    It’s common, I’ll agree. Is it right?

  12. I have NEVER said the policy was right. In fact, I believe the policy should be looked at for possible revision. That is a discussion for possibly the next synodical convention or other forum. However, we must remember we are talking about executive positions living in inner city environments and traveling around the world as representatives of our church trying to present a dignified image.

    The reality for me is that I grew up as the son of a pastor who lived in parsonages provded by the congrgations my Father served, My Dad (a Korean War vet) never used his veteran’s housing advantages until he “semi-retired” at age 63 and purchased a pre-fab home that he and mom placed on a housing tract in rural Minnesota. I personally have NEVER bought a house (I currently live in a one bedroom apartment in the Twin Cities suburbs). The level of salaries involved that we are discussing is WAY beyond what I or my parents have EVER made.

    HOWEVER, I have learned to be content with my lot, and not covet my neighbor’s goods or property. I have learned that God provided for Aaron and his sons to receive a portion of the peoples’ offering to create a dignified lifestyle for the leaders of the church that reflected their appointed status as leaders, and that this lifestyle may be more or less than what their church’s members have.

    The guidelines for paying the executives of Synod is open and certainly subject to debate and revision. However, my point is that we HAVE to seperate this general debate on salaries and benefits from the persons receiving the salary and benefits. You can criticize the policy (and it is certainly open to that), but remember that we as Synod have created the system that established the policy.

  13. Rahn, you’re right on all counts. 🙂

    I imagine you could even define River Oaks as “inner city” these days!
    It’s certainly not far, as the crow flies, from what one usually thinks of when “inner city” is mentioned. 🙁

    More than enough from me on this topic!

  14. God provided manna for the children of Israel so that His children would learn to enjoy sufficiency, not luxury. 2 Co 8:15

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