BJS Reviews Issues Etc Interview with Colleen Carroll Campbell, by Jon Townsend

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Issues, Etc. on March 18, 2009: Colleen Carroll Campbell and the Co-Belligerence of The New Faithful

Colleen Carroll Campbell columnist for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, author of the book The New Faithful: Why Young Adults Are Embracing Christian Orthodoxy, host of EWTN’s Faith and Culture and regular guest on the flagship show of Lutheran Orthodoxy: Issues, Etc…….

Regular Guest?!? I almost think regular guest is a misnomer – she seems to have weekly segment on the show – 10 minutes weekly on either Wednesdays or Thursdays. The near weekly segments have become some of my favorite segments on the show because of the concept of co-belligerence (see Wikipedia for background on the term). In Colleen Carroll Campbell’s book The New Faithful, she makes a study on the much unreported trend amongst educated younger people towards orthodox Christian movements. Each segment to me is an example of co-belligerence between the Lutheran and Roman Catholic strains of what Colleen would term the New Faithful.

The segments don’t touch on the difference between Lutheran and Roman doctrines that divide us, but the segments almost always handle issues in the Kingdom of the Left where well formed Lutheran and Roman consciences cannot remain silent: Euthanasia, Abortion, the role of the Christian in the political realm etc. Doctrinal agreement is not necessary to give a united Christian front in these areas, because we share a common culture of what is given to us in sacred scripture to which we do agree, i.e. the Trinity, the Incarnation and Moral Law. Within our two communions we have a strong tradition of being able to deal in the Kingdom of the Left from the basis of Natural Law. One can see how these common understandings play out in these weekly segments.

The March 18th segment dealt with recent statements from Roman Catholic Bishops and Archbishops on the subject of pro-abortion Roman Catholic politicians. Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput has taken a hard stand on Roman Catholics in elected office who support abortion rights. Issues, Etc. played this quote from Archbishop Chaput:

Catholics cannot make peace with this kind of deeply evil law, without lying to themselves, lying to the believing community and trying to fool God. It doesn’t work. If someone were to disagree with the Church on abortion, I don’t see how they can call themselves a Catholic. They shouldn’t receive communion, ’cause they’re not in communion. The vanity or hurt feelings of an individual Catholic governor or senator or even vice president do not take priority over the faith of the believing community.

Colleen Carroll Campbell and Pr. Wilken went on to discuss the comments and the fact that although Roman Catholic politicians who support abortion may find for themselves parish priests that will not discipline them, the stand of the Roman Catholic church is very clear: Abortion is evil and political support of it is willful cooperation with evil. In his latest statements Archbishop Chaput is stepping into public statement role left behind in Archbishop Burke’s departure for Rome. Colleen went on to say that such statements actually should not be so shocking because all of the Roman Church’s bishops and religious should be making the same statements.

Colleen Carroll Campbell does not express much hope that pro-abortion Roman Catholic politicians will be swayed by such statements, but that these statements make it clear to other Roman Catholics that statements from the likes of Pelosi and Biden, who claim to be good Roman Catholics but support abortion, are definitely not the stand of the Church. In this clarity there is hope that future leaders will be properly informed and educated on what a faithful Christian should believe about the sanctity of human life.

Although Colleen Carroll Campbell does a great job of applying authentic Catholic thought and philosophy to the issues of the day, I am afraid that The New Faithful in both of our communions may be eloquent and correct, but we are a minority and I am not sure our voices are headed that far outside of our “New Faithful” circle. I found it shocking that a colleague who attends a Roman Catholic parish in my town voted happily for Obama. His parish has one of the best, most clearly pro-life priests, who is young, who preaches in a way that is 100% true to his communion and fills the parish every week: There could be no misunderstanding that voting for a pro-abortion candidate is not in line with Catholic teaching attending this parish. I know many Lutherans that also took the same path and I find that equally disturbing. Like Campbell, my hope is for the future.

As someone who is at the end of what some of us call the “John Paul II definition of youth”, (I’ll be 37 next week), I truly appreciate hearing female voices in public dialogue that are intellectual but not feminist intellectuals in the way many of us have been exposed to; especially those of us who have spent extended time exposed to academia or have worked in it. Issues, Etc. has done a great job in finding the best expressions of authentic feminism in the likes of M.Z. Hemmingway, Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse and Colleen Carroll Campbell. Thank God that the smartest listeners in radio have the smartest women in North America to listen to!

(Colleen is also a great friend of the show – she signed the petition during the cancellation crisis in 2008.)


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About Pastor Tim Rossow

Rev. Dr. Timothy Rossow is the Director of Development for Lutherans in Africa. He served Bethany Lutheran Church in Naperville, IL as the Sr. Pastor for 22 years (1994-2016) and was Sr. Pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran in Dearborn, MI prior to that. He is the founder of Brothers of John the Steadfast but handed off the Sr. Editor position to Rev. Joshua Scheer in 2015. He currently resides in Ocean Shores WA with his wife Phyllis. He regularly teaches in Africa. He also paints watercolors, reads philosophy and golfs. He is currently represented in two art galleries in the Pacific Northwest. His M Div is from Concordia, St. Louis and he has an MA in philosophy from St. Louis University and a D Min from Concordia, Fort Wayne.

Comments

BJS Reviews Issues Etc Interview with Colleen Carroll Campbell, by Jon Townsend — 4 Comments

  1. “Colleen Carroll Campbell and Pr. Wilken went on to discuss the comments and the fact that although Roman Catholic politicians who support abortion may find for themselves parish priests that will not discipline them, the stand of the Roman Catholic church is very clear”

    Wow! I didn’t realize that the Romanist Church and the Missouri Synod churches had so much in common (other than the excitement of wearing pink vestments on Laetare Sunday). The Missouri Synod also blusters a lot about abortion, but does little in disciplining pro-murder-by-abortion politicians, Paul Simon and Jesse Ventura to name two notorius ones.

    In fact, the LCMess will even give the murderous politos a glowing eulogy when they die.

    And after all, what is a little Council of Trent decree of anathema among friends?

  2. I remember a friend protesting Paul Simon’s stance on abortion when he came to Concordia University Wisconsin 20 years ago. My friend was reprimanded by university officials for making the school look bad. Go figure.

  3. I am not from Minnesota, so my information may be a little inaccurate, but wasn’t Gov. Ventura a rarely-attending, non-member spouse/parent of members of an LCMS congregation? That makes discipline rather difficult, does it not? And, as I recall, fairly early in his first term, “the Gov.” made a comment about those in organized religion as having “brain damage.” The pastor had a conversation with him, received your typical, political, non-apology apology (“I didn’t mean YOU, Pastor.”), and the Governor did not show up at church hardly ever again. If you are already at the Mt. 18:17 “treat them as you would a pagan or a tax-collector,” how much more Scriptural discipline can you enforce on a non-member?

  4. “I am not from Minnesota, so my information may be a little inaccurate, but wasn’t Gov. Ventura a rarely-attending, non-member spouse/parent of members of an LCMS congregation?”

    I’m also not from Minnesota. But contrary to the erroneous rhetorical question, according to Rev. Steven Briel, pastor of St. John’s Lutheran Church, Maple Grove, MN, “he [Jesse Ventura] and his family currently hold membership in our congregation,” at least up to December 21, 2000.

    Since leaving the governor’s office in January, 2003, Ventura has moved and may no longer be a member of that congregation.

    Archived by the Wayback Machine, an October, 1999, LCMS “news release,” Pastors respond to Ventura, also noted that Jesse was a member of the Missouri Synod congregation. The news release included:

    The governor, in the November issue of Playboy magazine, states, “Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people’s business”…

    In services on Sunday, Oct. 3, Briel and Associate Pastor Loel Wessel read to worshipers the following statement they had prepared:

    “Governor Ventura has sought to clarify his comments regarding organized religion in an open letter to the churches and in a televised press conference.

    “We share the concerns of many about the negative light this episode has cast on the `organized church.’ We believe that many congregations like our own take seriously their commitment to proclaim the Gospel of God’s forgiveness and salvation through our crucified and risen Lord Jesus Christ and seek to live out His command to love one another as He has loved us.

    “Governor Ventura has apologized to each of his pastors for any problems or embarrassment his public comments (or how they were interpreted) have caused our congregation and assured us that he did not intend to include congregations such as our own in his comments.

    “Our continuing concern about his statements are matters of pastoral ministry between us and him.”

    The LCMS news article carefully avoided any mention or reference to the governor’s promotion of abortion, legalized prostitution, legalized drugs, and homosexual “rights”.

    The article didn’t mention “pagan or a tax-collector” either.

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