Petition has 1000 signatories and it’s not yet up 24 hours! Here are Some Choice Comments Like “Leave My Daddy Alone”

The petition to ask the LCMS Board of Directors to back off from their threats of legal action against Issues, Etc. radio show host Pastor Todd Wilken and show producer  Jeff Scwharz is not even 24 hours old and we already have over 1,000 signatures. To view the Scott Diekmann’s  (the author of the petition) introductory letter   to the petition click here.

Also, we have already made iPetitions.com’s top 5 list.  The Issues petition is the #4 most popular petition on that site.

We encourage you to look through the signatures but if you do not have time, here’s our summary version starting off with a rather emotional and personal comment.

#677 Emma Wilken: Leave my daddy, Jeff, and Craig alone! They have done you no wrong. I find it interesting that at 17 I can see the simple solution to this issue while a group “Christian” of men three times my age cannot.

#680 Loren Beth Wilder: I am dismayed, as a recently converted LCMS Lutheran, to find such a shameful and dishonorable action being considered by the leaders of LCMS. I was one of those “on-demand listeners” that was converted to Lutheranism by Issues, etc. (a listener who apparently had no value to LCMS inc.).

#806 Pastor L. Jay Reinke: “Issues, Etc.” has been a God-send for ELCA clergy who depend on it for a life-line of sanity and clear theology, and a boon to LCMS laity throughout synod who are looking for such relevant Lutheran programming. The content of “Issues,” and the effort it has made to live up to its name, deserve a humble thank you and a “bless you” from the LCMS Board of Directors, not opposition and dispute.

#931 Julie Paulsen: As a newer member of the LCMS, having left an ELCA congregation, I am very disappointed in how the LCMS national leadership has conducted itself in regard to Pastor Todd Wilken and Mr. Jeff Schwarz. Issues Etc. has been of great help to my family and me in understanding true lutheran doctrine and should be allowed to retain the program name. I will be praying that LCMS eadership reconsider this unscriptural action they have taken against fellow brothers in Christ.

#947 Rev. Kurt Hering: The LCMS needs a conscience. In addition to providing ongoing theological education for both laity and pastors, Issues, Etc. provides the prick of Scriptural, Christian conscience the synod has effectively squelched in recent years. Perhaps those pressing the trademark issue ought remember Luther’s assertion: “. . . it is neither safe nor honourable to act against conscience.”

#855 Pastor Shawn L. Kumm: The devil is in the details. Missing the simple detail of renewing a trademark seems to have unleashed very devilsh behavior and actions.

#826 Eric Matthaei: LCMS has no valid common law claim to the Issues Etc. trademark, having abrogated that claim by applying for registration under statutory law. LCMS has no valid statutory law claim to the Issues Etc. trademark, having allowed its previous registration to lapse. LCMS has no equitable claim to the Issues Etc. trademark, having canceled the program and made clear repeatedly by word and deed its intent not to use the name again. The current effort to re-acquire the trademark registration serves no other purpose than to re-assert power over the content of the program. President Kieschnick has a fiduciary duty and a pastoral responsibility to give the Synod a clear explanation as to why he cannot tolerate this radio program.

#777 Ray Gawlik: Why is the LCMS BOD and SP wasting money pursuing a lapsed Trademark? What is the motivation to sue brothers? Why is Pres Kieschnick, who has stated his understanding of I Cor 6:1-8 in the past, now silent in the face of people suing via the LCMS? Has he no voice to stop it or does he agree with it? How is it the LCMS “has to transfer ownership” of a trademark that has not been theirs since 1999? Answers need to be forthcoming!

#613 Rev John Mueller: If the Gospel is properly proclaimed by the program, why is it so important to Synod that the name be removed? Sounds like the disciples (Mark 9:38-41) or Joshua (Numbers 11:26-29) who thought first of privilege of place rather than the fact that the work of God was being done.

#530 Paul Buelow: All the information given by Synodical officials since the Issues, Etc. show cancellation and the hosts’ removal from LCMS employment presented an amicable separation due to financial and programmatic reasons and the LCMS has not re-initiated any show utilizing this name via KFUO or any other media. No reasonable explanation for the LCMS trademark challenge and subsequent legal threats can be drawn except contempt and malice toward the show, it operators, and its LISTENERS. President Kieschnick and the Board of Directors – cease and desist.

If you haven’t done so already, e-mail your friends and relatives, ask them to consider the cause and if so moved, sign the petition.

About Norm Fisher

Norm was raised in the UCC in Connecticut, and like many fell away from the church after high school. With this background he saw it primarily as a service organization. On the miracle of his first child he came back to the church. On moving to Texas a few years later he found a home in Lutheranism when he was invited to a confessional church a half-hour away by our new neighbors.

He is one of those people who found a like mind in computers while in Middle School and has been programming ever since. He's responsible for many websites, including the Book of Concord, LCMSsermons.com, and several other sites.

He has served the church in various positions, including financial secretary, sunday school teacher, elder, PTF board member, and choir member.

More of his work can be found at KNFA.net.

Comments

Petition has 1000 signatories and it’s not yet up 24 hours! Here are Some Choice Comments Like “Leave My Daddy Alone” — 16 Comments

  1. Wonderful comments! Eric Matthaei seems to have a good handle on the legal issues involved. This threat is so completely without merit that I think Todd and Jeff don’t have anything to be afraid of.

  2. 124 Eddie Kolodziej: Pastor Kieschnick, Why is doing the right thing always so hard for you? Blessings. . . .

    645 Dan DeVaughn: To Pres. K and BOD– Grow up!! . . .

    981 Tyson Mastin Stop being heathen.

  3. My personal favorite is

    #760-Matthew Carver-The more you try to tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

    However I am a little jealous, because he beat me to posting this idea.

    I was thinking about Darth Kieschnick and how to reword that line all morning before I saw Matthew’s comment.
    Sam

  4. Reading the more than 1300 names and comments to the petition, it’s like attending a virtual reunion. Haven’t I seen some of those names and read some of those comments before?
    Yes. I have.
    You know, I’ve heard that history does repeat itself, but this is ridiculous. Cycles are supposed to last a little longer than this. This isn’t a cycle, but more like a death spiral.

  5. Another great comment:
    John Koopman: LCMS Inc., Can we please just listen to Paul? “The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.” This is disgraceful LCMS Inc., thank you for making all two and a half million people in the synod look like fools. You represent all of us, now start doing the right things, and fix your errors.
    Ditto, Mr. Koopman.

  6. I am impressed with the very fitting and sincere expressions that have already been registered. But haven’t we been through this before? Is the problem that no one is listening, including the officers and elected leaders of our Synod? Do they even care? It all causes me to wonder if the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod is the church body which I can, with good conscience, continue to support, and with which I should remain affiliated. — May the Lord have mercy on us.

  7. This current issue with ‘Issues Ect.’ is again revealing the trouble in the LCMS. I believe the LCMS leaders are mismanaging mission dollars. It may be this latest scandal that makes this more widely known and causes a change. After talking to foreign Lutherans at Symposia and reading Rev. Matthew Harrison, I desperately want the LCMS to start living up to its ‘missional’ (purists, forgive me for that word) confessional potential. Don’t give up on the LCMS; Christ is giving us an open mission door. Let’s work together to pull the plug on the lcmsINC. Lord, have mercy!

  8. Rodefeld #10
    Bob, you and I have been around the LCMS block for a lot of years! The fight isn’t over, but it’s worth it.
    My take:
    Are they listening? Some are, most aren’t.
    Do they even care? Some do, most don’t, particularly at the very top. After all, if you’re the absolutely untouchable dictator you don’t have to care about much of anything other than retaining your own power.
    But, I think some good will come out of all of this, if nothing more than it’s one more step toward assuring that His Highness Gerald I will not be re-elected in 2010.

  9. Would anything be accomplished by petitioning the Commission which dispenses / assigns/ records trademarks to dismiss the synod’s request promptly on the grounds that they have no standing, having abandoned the name?

    Or are a few thousand “civilians” as irrelevant to them as they are to our SP?

  10. Helen,
    My guess is that us “common folk,” not being “directly concerned parties,” wpould have no “standing” before the commission, regardless of how many signatures could be obtained. We’d be ignored moe easily than Gerald I ignors us. r

  11. In that case, Califiowan, I don’t see why they would listen to lcms inc. which abandoned the trademark 9+ years ago. It would seem to me that any Joe Schmidt on the street would have as much “standing”…

    I suppose four (count ’em) expensive lawyers, (paid for with money synod doesn’t have) creates some kind of “platform”?

  12. 1239 Prof. Dr John Warwick Montgomery, Esq.: I am thoroughly ashamed of the central administration of my church body for its actions in this matter. Orthodoxy of doctrine is one thing; ordinary decent treatment of others is another. Can you not exhibit a modicum of legal and ethical integrity in your relationship with Issues, Etc.–particularly after treating Wilken and Schwarz so shabbily in discharging them?

    1245 Phillip Gohr: This absolutely exposes Kieschnick for who and what he really is. He can no longer hide behind his vestments posing for holy pictures.

    1430 Jason Fick: President Kieschnick, you are an embarrassment to the LCMS.

    1466 Rev. Peter C. Bender: President Kieschnick, as a delegate to the last synodical convention I heard you rightly deplore lawsuits in the church and among brothers in our synod. Why the change of heart? Are you and the board of directors exempt from Scripture and your own admonishments in this regard?

  13. Why does the IC have to keep up withis kind of Mickey Mouse they are promoting ?As I wrote on the petition I signed we older folks or retired folks consider time as precious and you people out there are wasting GOOD time. Get with it!

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