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Great Stuff — Bylaws vs. the Word of God
The current nomenclature in the LCMS:

Technically, only an ordained man called
to a parish can be called a pastor.

An inactive ordained man without a parish
is called a …
    Pastor Dave Likeness at Apr 27 2015 05:51 pm

Great Stuff — Bylaws vs. the Word of God
Pastor implies the man has a Divine Call to a congregation, although sometimes pastor is used as an honorary title for a retiree granted the title “pastor emeritus” by their last congregation.

Not all ordained ministers are pastors, and an -inactive- ordained minister would not be a pastor at all. Ordained Candidates, Non-Candidates, Missionaries, Chaplains, Employees of Auxiliaries, RSOs, CHI, CPH, Boards, etc., and Retirees are NOT pastors. …
    Tim Schenks at Apr 27 2015 04:36 pm

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Perhaps there is a thought that once ordained a man can never be …
    Michael Borg at Apr 27 2015 12:58 pm

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@Pastor Prentice #87

Well said.

I am thankful that our Lord promised His Church divine perpetuity and that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it – it is sad when the gates of hell occupy the Holy Office and those appointed to protect the church just shuffle them …
    Michael Borg at Apr 27 2015 12:57 pm

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@Michael Borg #86

Both of you, I agree, but the problem is still internally generated. No one wants to admit error or being wrong. The easy way out is often taken.

Outside in the “other world”, a man is told, “you are not cut out to be a computer programmer, try another skill”, etc. Hard to swallow, but often it may …
    Pastor Prentice at Apr 27 2015 12:53 pm

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@Rev. Steven W Bohler #85

Exactly this.
Districts and churches do a great disservice by not pointing out the hirelings and adulterers, letting them instead be shuffled from church to church and district to …
    Michael Borg at Apr 27 2015 12:31 pm

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Over the course of my 20+ years as a pastor, I am aware of a number of situations in which the pastor in question claimed that his removal was unscriptural and without proper cause. I also am aware that, in more cases than I would like to admit, that claim was untrue: the congregation did have proper grounds. The sad thing is that the congregations, for a number of reasons (such as advice from the district president, or not wanting to “air …
    Rev. Steven W Bohler at Apr 27 2015 11:55 am

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@David Hartung #81

My only comment is that you very likely do not know the entire story in all three situations.

Of course, someone like you, not at all cognizant of the given situation, probably has the better judgement!?

My observation is that the people here who seem to know more about the removed Pastor/erring …
    helen at Apr 27 2015 11:53 am

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Pastor Dent,

You seem to forget that pastors may also rightly/properly be removed for inability to carry out the duties of the office. For instance, a pastor who becomes disabled and can no longer truly carry out the duties of the office may rightly be removed. Obviously, the congregation would need to first of all do all they can to assure he is properly provided for (Concordia disability and/or Social Security, for instance). But there …
    Rev. Steven W Bohler at Apr 27 2015 11:48 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
Mr. Wood,

Please keep in mind that I am not necessarily responding to your specific words or comments but, rather other’s comments made on the thread. After submitting that, again, you hadn’t made your case (I understand that others think that you have) I do not think I specifically addressed your comments.

IOW, I read your article. Thank you for the, mostly, good discussion it …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 27 2015 11:47 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
It’s hard not to get the impression that some comments are made without reading the articles. This was the second para of the original:

“This is not a call to play to the lowest common denominator (our seminaries, synodocrats, and pastors have a duty to fix the catechism problem). It is a plea to take greater care lest we weaken or destroy the faith of others by ‘disappearing’ what is essential for repentance and the forgiveness of sins. …
    Tim Wood at Apr 27 2015 11:19 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
@Pr. Don Kirchner #136
Hey I’ll agree to that! The band “Lost and Found” said the greatest word in Lutheranism is “and”. 😉
I am uncomfortable with catering to the lowest common denominator as well, but the sad reality is that as a whole incoming seminarians are less familiar and knowledgeable about basic Lutheran …
    Rev. McCall at Apr 27 2015 11:10 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
@Rev. McCall #134

In true Lutheran fashion I think it should be a both/and. This addresses the issue of the “weakly catechized” picking up the material on their own and reading/hearing without discrimination. In fact, looking to the content of “The Lutheran Mind” class, TT’s presentation would appear to complement that …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 27 2015 10:52 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
I also know that when I visited Fort Wayne a current student quite proudly stated to me that he had been Baptist up until a mere 5 months ago and was now studying to become a Lutheran pastor!

Perhaps he was doing pre-seminary work.

Admission Requirements …

Applicants must be a member of a Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod congregation for a minimum of two years prior to admission. If married, their wife must also be a member of a …
    John Rixe at Apr 27 2015 10:36 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
@Pr. Don Kirchner #133

I think the seminary’s own actions show they consider incoming seminarians to be weakly catechized. Doesn’t matter what I think, they are the ones who added the class because incoming students did not understand many/most Lutheran/Biblical concepts.
One could argue your point, but it does not …
    Rev. McCall at Apr 27 2015 10:33 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
@Rev. McCall #132

So, Rev McCall, do you consider the “weakly catechized” to include sem students? Actually, yes they can and will pick up his books or listen to him on the radio (as will our congregational members) and might make their own uninformed judgments. Better to read/hear TT’s words within the academic context …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 27 2015 10:01 am

A Circuit Meeting Taught Me Again the Importance of the Liturgy
@J. Dean #8

I also think at times as well why don’t these folks who want evangelicalism just leave and join an evangelical denom. fwiw:

first, the preacher in my article knows the real stuff of the Confessions and he may hear again what he was first taught. Like Pr. Prentice wrote,”I have a hunch this …
    Pr. Mark Schroeder at Apr 27 2015 09:11 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
@jb #131
I agree. I also had another thought on this whole thread as I read it. I know that CSL added “The Lutheran Mind” as part of their mandatory classes for future pastors because they found that incoming students knew little about actual Lutheran thinking (like Law and Gospel)! I also know that when I visited Fort …
    Rev. McCall at Apr 27 2015 09:05 am

Tolerance: Narcissism in Disguise
“There are really only two options: either you live by self-chosen standards or you walk according to the Law of the Lord.”

Or option three: Christ

“though it’s impossible for us to keep God’s Law”

Evidently we have to try to do that or we forfeit our salvation. So Christ must be just a good start in our quest to do the impossible: keep the law

“To reject God’s Law, whether deliberately (outright antinomianism) or not (Romans 7:14-25), …
    fred at Apr 26 2015 10:35 pm

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To all,
In reality, we never know the true reasons for probably 90% of the situations. When confidentiality agreements are signed, that is it. When we want to talk about it and name names, nope.
To fix a problem, you must understand it and open it up, dissect it, to understand it.

We talk, talk talk, no true action.

Perhaps that is the way it is?

Want to talk, email me. I was involved in the removal of a pastor that should have …
    Pastor Prentice at Apr 25 2015 11:38 pm

A Circuit Meeting Taught Me Again the Importance of the Liturgy
@J. Dean #8

Hang in there…we are sinful men, but trying to be solid with God’s Word in a trying …
    Pastor Prentice at Apr 25 2015 11:31 pm

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
Tim Wood

Great piece of posting. Good …
    jb at Apr 25 2015 02:49 pm

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@LadyM #80

I have known three pastors personally who were forced from their calling congregations. Only in one of these did the congregation have valid reason.
My only comment is that you very likely do not know the entire story in all three situations.

This is always my caution. Make certain that your information …
    David Hartung at Apr 25 2015 01:09 pm

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
From the LCMS historian, Rev. Edward Engelbrecht:

I came across a fascinating “reminiscence” from Ludwig Ernest (sic) Fuerbringer in “80 Eventful Years” (1944). Fuerbringer writes that he had attended the services of Dr. James H. Brooks, pastor of the Washington and Compton Presbyterian Church. Fuerbringer wrote, “I heard him preach off and on in my student days and also when I came to St. Louis as instructor in our Seminary” (p. 49). He then …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 25 2015 12:24 pm

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
I removed a post because it again was personal. Discussion is fine if it …
    Pastor Joshua Scheer at Apr 25 2015 11:49 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
Thank you for your opinion, Abby, and I have expressed mine.

Actually, I think it is quite ironic that the attack on TT as heretic generally falls within the subject of TT’s talk. I.e., the failure to properly distinguish law and gospel has been prevalent hereon. Yes, the confessional statements given are entirely correct. But the application is a failure to properly distinguish law and gospel and far from pastoral.

Actually, I think you fail …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 25 2015 11:13 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
Pastor Kirchner, I don’t think that Walther quote you cite has anything to do with this post written by Tim. I hope Tim might come back on and explain to you why it is a quote taken out of context to apply wrongly to Tim’s good points. Although that might be a hopeless endeavor at this point.

I would like you to go ask Walther himself if he would have invited Tullian to preach to our men at the Seminary for the occasion of the 500th …
    Abby at Apr 25 2015 10:28 am

Tolerance: Narcissism in Disguise
I found these comments by Dr. Scott Yakimow, Associate Professor of Theology at Concordia University, Portland, quite helpful and a position to which I tend to agree.

“FWIW, in my mind, no business that serves the public has a right to refuse service to any individual except for health reasons (no shirt, no shoes…) or other instances of disruptive, degrading, abusive, or offensive behavior that is occurring at that time in that place. …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 25 2015 09:31 am

Inviting Tullian Tchividjian Gave the Wrong Impression
Hmm, guess I did get the last (substantive) word… IOW, thanks but no thanks, jb. BTW,

Walther’s Law and Gospel

Thesis XX.

In the sixteenth place, the Word of God is not rightly divided when a person’s salvation is made to depend on his association with the visible orthodox Church and when salvation is denied to every person who errs in any article of …
    Pr. Don Kirchner at Apr 25 2015 08:49 am

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@David Hartung #67

I have known three pastors personally who were forced from their calling congregations. Only in one of these did the congregation have valid reason. Our DP did not support the pastors or call the congregations to repentance. I heard this from members of the congregations, NOT from the pastors, who, …
    LadyM at Apr 25 2015 05:18 am