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LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@John Rixe #76 Thank you for the succinct and clear explication, John. And I am sorry that you have to suffer an ad hominem attack as the price of your clarity.

Pax, the Russians did …
    T Wood at Apr 28 2017 08:47 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@jb #73Indeed, JB, it’s a perfect illustration of the intoxicating effects of American Civil Religion. Scripture be damed. Confessions be damned. Comrade Napoleon is …
    T Wood at Apr 28 2017 08:44 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@John Rixe #76

This position is basically one of the alt right. Which is a non sequitor and totally illogical. It fits the pattern of fake news.

Kind Regards,

Michael …
    Michael Baun at Apr 28 2017 07:57 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
Legal immigrants have no need to be reminded of their rights.  They won’t be deported.  The only reason to remind illegal immigrants of their rights is to evade and avoid law enforcement to shield them from deportation.

@Comment …
    John Rixe at Apr 28 2017 06:52 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
I am not a lawyer but per my internet search, both legal and illegal immigrants have rights under the Constitution. There’s nothing wrong with LIRS informing people of their legal …
    Lifelong Lutheran at Apr 28 2017 12:13 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@jb #73

The narrative is that there is no support for the primary claim made by the article.
That LIRS is involved in helping evade immigration enforcement. And that somehow the LCMS is involved in this by giving financial support to LIRS.

So this is not a narrative about rights but one about journalism and supporting ones …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 10:47 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
Tim –

I doubt Mr. Baun will give up his narrative about “rights.” That appears to be the only bullet in his gun. He has been evasive about any questions regarding theological responsibility or alignment, nor does he seem to be grasping anything about concerns voiced, save to then ask what has now become an accusatory questions about how could anyone be against what LIRS does? It’s all his narrative, and anything written to the contrary, …
    jb at Apr 27 2017 09:39 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #71
Again you have shown no evidence that LIRS is a engaged in shielding illegal employees grants from immigration authorities as claimed in your article.

If you disagree with their approach fine but indicating they are facilitating law breaking is another matter. I hope you see the difference.

Kind …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 07:37 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #70 Well, that avoided the issue.

Compare and contrast the attachment. Which one is faithful to Scripture and the Confessions, and which one is faithful to the ACLU? …
    T Wood at Apr 27 2017 06:08 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #69

Is is an interesting question. I have not made a decision to ever do so. But back to the question that matters in regard to LIRS. Certainly you don’t believe informing someone of their rights is helping anyone evade of avoid law enforcement. Perhaps I missed something here.

Kind Regards,

Michael …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 05:42 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #65 What does “in general” mean? In what situations are you going to help an illegal alien evade or avoid law …
    T Wood at Apr 27 2017 05:20 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
I did a little online research and found an organization in St. Louis called Christian Friends of New Americans. It was founded and is supported by several local LCMS congregations. It is an RSO of the LCMS. After a cursory investigation it appears to be a faithfully Christian approach to helping our immigrant neighbors. I think LCMS members should run away from LIRS and toward the Christian Friends of New Americans model of immigrant …
    LW at Apr 27 2017 05:16 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #66

Many things…

I do have sympathy for refugees, which are a specific type of immigrant. Often time they are pushed to the front of the line, so to speak. Other types of refugees want a better life, and I get that, but they are not in a life-threatening situation. The broader the brush, the more …
    Jason at Apr 27 2017 05:13 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Jason #64

Most of my neighbors are immigrants. Depending on the country of origin there is a lot of fear. Cambodian refugees and others do sometimes live in fear in the same way they lived in fear in their country. Many have a hard time no longer being afraid. Certainly the LCIS attempts to address this is a good thing. In many ways …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 04:47 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #63
In general I don’t think it is a good idea.
And I don’t think this is the intent of the LCIS.

Kind Regards,

Michael Baun
@T Wood …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 04:37 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #62

WRONG! You are the one who needs to do better research. First and foremost: THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS. They are IMMIGRANTS, so there ‘rights’ are… dubious. They may have basic human rights, but not all the privileges citizens have. Second, there is a vetting process, to determine who they are. Immigrants, …
    Jason at Apr 27 2017 03:40 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #62 Michael, should Lutherans who hold to Scripture and the Confessions shield illegal aliens from deportation, and help them to evade and avoid law …
    T Wood at Apr 27 2017 03:32 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@John Rixe #61 The idea that informing citizens of their rights and that LCIS is helping immigrants evade deportation because they do this and that somehow because the LCMS supports them that they are being roped into an immigrate deportation evasion program is not a very convincing argument. I believe this is a summary of the main …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 03:18 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
I’m not that familiar with LIRS, but the “Rights Card” linked in Comment 57 sure look like shielding and advocacy on behalf of illegal aliens.  A legal resident would not have any use for the card nor any fear of deportation.  

Tim has done a good job alerting us of these issues.  I don’t know why LCMS continues to even indirectly …
    John Rixe at Apr 27 2017 01:25 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@mbw #59
I really don’t understand your position that the 4th and 5th Amendments of the Constitution are leftist dung.

Kind Regards,

Michael …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 12:49 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #58

> Informing immigrants of their rights

You are just stirring up leftist dung, inventing extralegal “rights” out of …
    mbw at Apr 27 2017 12:00 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #57

To inform immigrants of their rights. Apparently you believe Informing immigrants of their rights is engaging in an immigration deportation evasion scheme. Thank you for the clarification.

Regards,

Michael …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 11:52 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #56

1) What is the purpose of this specific item printed and distributed by LIRS: http://blog.lirs.org/files/2017/03/RightsCards.png What is the intention and purpose of LIRS shielding and advocacy on behalf of illegal aliens?

2) To pretend that my article criticizes a pastor for helping refugees is a tendentious …
    T Wood at Apr 27 2017 11:41 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #55.

You indicate a pastor sits on the board of LIRS. That is caring for refugees. As far as this idea of LIRS engaging in a deportation evasion scheme you still have not provided any evidence to support your allegation. Perhaps you can quote from their web site what you think implies this. I don’t see this at all. Your …
    Michael Baun at Apr 27 2017 10:37 am

Introduction to Judges: Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods
Pastor Richard
Thank you, Pastor Richard. I’ll address the topic you suggested in a couple of days, in as much as you are on a retreat anyway.
However, it occurred to me, with regard to our earlier exchange of posts, that, with reference to both Hebrews and the story of the Exodus, the high priest did go into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for the sins of the people. Therefore, with their sins atoned for, would God still …
    George A. Marquart at Apr 27 2017 09:44 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Michael Baun #53 I’m unable to assist if what you read in LIRS’s own literature for the Be Not Afraid campaign is not persuasive about its position on illegal immigration, and how it encourages evasion of law enforcement.

I can assist in setting fire to your straw men:
1) The article does not say anything about LCMS pastors …
    T Wood at Apr 27 2017 08:20 am

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
I donate to this Christian organization because it helps both Christians and Muslims in their homeland. They are much closer to us in orthodoxy. IOCC has worked in the Middle East for a long time. Their integrity is very high in the use of their donations — 92% of money given is used on the …
    Abby at Apr 26 2017 07:54 pm

WELS president on the two versions of the Luther movie
I’m a little confused. The producers of the film and the WELS President think that people in 2017 will not able to grasp the core message of the Reformation like people in the 16th century were able to …
    John M. at Apr 26 2017 06:59 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@T Wood #52

Again I see no support that the LIRS engages in deportation evasion schemes. You make this claim with no supporting evidence. The idea that a LCMS pastor actually cares enough to care for refugees is turned into a guilt by association argument. It doesn’t surprise me that with notions supported by little and possibly …
    Michael Baun at Apr 26 2017 06:30 pm

LCMS Roped Into Deportation Evasion Scheme
@Martin R. Noland #47 Thank you, Pastor, for taking so much time to respond and share your knowledge and experience.

Please allow me to address a few items that you touched on

Perceptions and Facts About the LIRS – LCMS Relationship.
Yes, LIRS fits into that amazing category of Synodical Plausible Deniability (SPD). Another …
    T Wood at Apr 26 2017 04:58 pm