Comments for Steadfast Lutherans » http://steadfastlutherans.org An international fraternity of confessional Lutheran laymen and pastors, supporting proclamation of Christian doctrine in the new media. Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:54:06 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on No room in the C.U.S. Regenthood by helen http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/no-room-in-the-c-u-s-regenthood/comment-page-1/#comment-1090478 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:54:06 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44591#comment-1090478 Besides the possibility of large contributions (the money isn’t always a given), an advanced academic degree means more exposure to the liberal mindset. Just saying….

I think a few ordinary people, with some life experience, could make a contribution to a Board of Regents of an LCMS school. If some of the “finer points of governing” had to be explained to them, it might clarify things in the minds of the speakers, too. A few confessional M Div’s seem to be what most of our “universities” need, balanced by a financial person or two who has actually earned a living, not necessarily as a CEO.

And people should not have to buy their board seat.

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Pastor Prentice http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090477 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 22:14:00 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090477 @Carl Vehse #13
Dear Carl,
Wow, never thought of that one. Just tell everyone, sorry, we will not issue divorce decrees.

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090476 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 22:07:20 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090476 In addition to resulting in Kim Davis being jailed, the perverted SCOTUS homosexual “marriage” opinion in June has caused a Tennessee judge to decline to rule on divorce cases.
Hamilton County Chancellor [Judge] Jeffrey Atherton denied the divorce petition last week after hearing from seven witnesses and going through 77 exhibits. Among several reasons he cited in rejecting the couple’s divorce, one was the Supreme Court’s June ruling.

Atherton said the Supreme Court must clarify “when a marriage is no longer a marriage.” Otherwise, he contended, state courts are impaired from addressing marriage and divorce litigation altogether.

“The conclusion reached by this Court is that Tennesseans have been deemed by the U.S. Supreme Court to be incompetent to define and address such keystone/central institutions such as marriage, and, thereby, at minimum, contested divorces,” Atherton wrote.

Excerpted from a September 3, 2015, Chattanooga, TN, news article, “Judge declines divorce case, citing gay marriage ruling.”

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Comment on Great Stuff — “The New Antinomianism: Denying Thesis 18 of Law and Gospel” By Rev. Mark A. Preus by Rev David Speers http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/08/great-stuff-the-new-antinomianism-denying-thesis-18-of-law-and-gospel-by-rev-mark-a-preus/comment-page-1/#comment-1090475 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 21:43:26 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44527#comment-1090475 George Marquart,

I did not jump anywhere. The point is that you are asking for, so it seems, a prooftext, which you can camp on. The point is that you could not argue, as the confessions do, against a Romanist use of James 2:18-24, using your method. You would have to conclude, using the method you are applying here, with Rome, that a man is saved by works and love. (cf Apol IV 13ff). For they use the same tactic as you are applying to this discussion.

However, the Lutherans do refuse to seek a prooftext in this way, in order to assert that when a person, like David lives in sin, hiding his sin, (cf Psalm 32), cannot be in a state of grace. Gal 5 and 1 Cor 6, state that those who practice such things, who live in this way, do not have faith. David lived this way for almost 9 months. The Lutherans reject this definition of faith, (Apol IV-cf the subheading, what is justifying faith), even though Rome would agree with you that faith could co-exist with this kind of intention to continue in sin. Lutherans called this faith an “epicurean delusion.” 15] Therefore the expressions or propositions mentioned [that good works are necessary, and that it is necessary to do good] are unjustly censured and rejected in this Christian and proper sense, as has been done by some; for they are employed and used with propriety to rebuke and reject the secure, Epicurean delusion, by which many fabricate for themselves a dead faith or delusion which is without repentance and without good works, as though there could be in a heart true faith and at the same time the wicked intention to persevere and continue in sins, which is impossible; or, as though one could, indeed, have and retain true faith, righteousness, and salvation even though he be and remain a corrupt and unfruitful tree, whence no good fruits whatever come, yea, even though he persist in sins against conscience, or purposely engages again in these sins, all of which is incorrect and false.

Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. (1996). Concordia Triglotta—English: The Symbolical Books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church (electronic ed., p. 943). Milwaukee, WI: Northwestern Publishing House.

This point is made again and again by the Lutherans against the kind of faith that you seem to describe, and which is a reflection more of a Romanist definition of faith rather than a biblical one.

Again, the Lutherans do not allow someone to say that they have faith when they live in impenitent sin, which contradicts the Scriptures which say that such people will not inherit the kingdom of heaven/God etc. If we are saved by grace through faith, then the faith that we speak about cannot be one in which one can live in impenitent sin and still be spiritually alive, but rather, these people, “once enlightened” have “made shipwreck of their faith.”1Tim. 1:18   This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090474 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 21:23:56 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090474 Again clarification is needed. Christians are not in solemn conscientious objection against the state. We, the People are the state! What We, the People, are objecting to is the tyrannical actions of elected and appointed representatives who have perverted and ignored the Constitution, and who have become traitors to We, the People, i.e., the United States of America.

And it is the responsibility of We the People, especially Christians, in our vocation as citizens, to work within our political system to bring justice to these traitors through indictment, trial, conviction, and sentencing for giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.

Ignoring or minimizing this vocation and responsibility denigrates the Lutheran doctrine of the two kingdoms.

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Mark http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090473 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 20:57:58 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090473 @Pastor Prentice #6

Kim Davis, the Rosa Parks of the incipient religious liberty civil rights movement?

SP Harrison’s words loom large:

Christians will now begin to learn what it means to be in a state of solemn conscientious objection against the state. We will resist its imposition of falsehood upon us, even as we continue to reach out to those who continue to be harmed by the ethic of radical sexual freedom, detached from God’s blessing of marriage. And we will stand shoulder to shoulder with Christians, churches and people of good will who are resolute on this issue.

God help us. Amen.

Pastor Matthew C. Harrison

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090472 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 20:05:36 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090472 Kim Davis, charged with contempt by Judge Bunning, now begins her life in jail, possibly facing the same fate as H. Beatty Chadwick.

H. Beatty Chadwick was held in contempt by a Delaware County Court judge for failing to turn over $2.5 million in a court-controlled account during an alimony hearing. Chadwick said he had lost the money in overseas investments and had no money. The judge put him in the Delaware County jail until he produced the money. Court-ordered investigations, however, turned up no hidden money by Chadwick.

That was in 1995.

In 2009, at the age of 73, and never having had a trial or hearing, Chadwick was finally released from jail. He now lives on social security.

More information is in the article, “Transitioning to a new world H. Beatty Chadwick joins the 21st century.”

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090471 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:57:23 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090471 In his Bondage of the Will (pp. 43-4), Martin Luther wrote:
“The world and its God cannot and will not bear the word of the true God: and the true God cannot and will not keep silence. While, therefore, these two gods are at war with each other, what can there be else in the whole world, but tumult?

“Therefore, to wish to silence these tumults, is nothing else, than to wish to hinder the word of God, and to take it out of the way! For the word of God, wherever it comes, comes to change and to renew the world. And even heathen writers testify, that changes of things cannot take place, without commotion and tumult, nor even without blood. It therefore belongs to Christians, to expect and endure these things, with a stayed mind: as Christ says, “When ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be not dismayed, for these things must first come to pass, but the end is not yet,” Matt. xxiv. And as to myself, if I did not see these tumults, I should say the word of God was not in the world. But now, when I do see them, I rejoice from my heart, and fear them not….

“I see indeed, my friend Erasmus, that you complain in many books of these tumults, and of the loss of peace and concord; and you attempt many means whereby to afford a remedy, and (as I am inclined to believe) with a good intention. But this gouty foot laughs at your doctoring hands. For here, in truth, as you say, you sail against the tide; nay, you put out fire with straw. Cease from complaining, cease from doctoring; this tumult proceeds, and is carried on, from above, and will not cease until it shall make all the adversaries of the word as the dirt of the streets. Though I am sorry that I find it necessary to teach you, so great a theologian, these things, like a disciple, when you ought to be a teacher of others.”

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Comment on No room in the C.U.S. Regenthood by Noreen Linke http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/no-room-in-the-c-u-s-regenthood/comment-page-1/#comment-1090470 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:35:08 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44591#comment-1090470 I have been concerned about this for some time now. I am finishing up my second term on the Board of Regents for Concordia Texas. I have earned the respect of the other board members. I have judiciously made hard stands at critical times. And behind the scenes I have influenced some major decisions in a positive direction. And yet, based on these qualifications, I am probably not eligible to run for re-election for what would be my third and final term. I am one of those who has learned through the experience called ‘life’ and have worked hard to continue learning and growing, and I give my time, treasure, and talent generously to our church body. I have experience and insights to contribute to my board that are different and unique than some of the more formally educated members, or those who have lots of money to contribute. There should be room at the table for a wide variety of us, and I see this as very limiting and most unfortunate.

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Comment on Should Lutheran Preaching Condemn False Teachers? — Guest post by Pr. Johannes Nieminen by Pastor Prentice http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/09/should-lutheran-preaching-condemn-false-teachers-guest-post-by-pr-johannes-nieminen/comment-page-1/#comment-1090468 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:21:13 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44561#comment-1090468 @Carl Vehse #7
Dear Carl,
This is a challenge.

There will be many Churches of the LCMS praying for calm and good order in a nation gone contrary to the Word of God. I bet a few of the BJS editors, etc. will include some of those prayers as proof.

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