Comments for Steadfast Lutherans » http://steadfastlutherans.org An international fraternity of confessional Lutheran laymen and pastors, supporting proclamation of Christian doctrine in the new media. Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:33:29 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on A Bereaved Farewell to the Boy Scouts of America by Brad http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-bereaved-farewell-to-the-boy-scouts-of-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1089707 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:33:29 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44247#comment-1089707 Indeed. A lamentable situation in every regard.

It would seem that folks like yourself, with such wonderful history in Scouting, would be uniquely qualified to help build the next viable alternative to it.

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Comment on A Bereaved Farewell to the Boy Scouts of America by Marc L http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-bereaved-farewell-to-the-boy-scouts-of-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1089706 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:23:03 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44247#comment-1089706 The premise of your article is flawed in that never has an LCMS church “sponsored” a Boy Scout troop.

The BSA’s operational model, as is that of their new evangelical rival Trail Life, is “chartered partnerships”. This is not an issue of semantics, but is critical to the whole point you seem to be making – that its unsafe/unethical/antithetical to host a foreign group (a scout troop) in the church basement each Monday night if their morals, etc. are presenting a devilish catechism (I liked that point you made). This Eagle Scout (who regrets ever haven been in the OA) is looking for guidance from his confessional LCMS brothers as to whether to pull my Star Scout son out of the program. What needs to be addressed, and where your article falls short, is the issue of how or if the “chartered partner” concept is to be maintained between the LCMS and the BSA.

To clarify and illustrate my point, and so no one thinks I’m being a barracks lawyer, a church can “sponsor” a Girl Scout Troop, but “owns” a Boy Scout troop. A “sponsor” simply provides a safe, heated meeting place. Leadership and program is decided by the Girl Scout HQ, not the church. In contrast, an “owner” utilizes the troop as part of its own youth ministry program, like a franchisee. This presents a big difference when it comes to selecting leadership, which is what the BSA National Council was emphasizing in their decision to allow their chartered partners to appoint homosexuals as leaders. No leader can be assigned to a troop from BSA, unlike with Girl Scouts USA. This is a salient point that deserves deep inspection by informed leadership in St. Louis, which I trust they’ll do.

In the main, I’m with you T.R. and may be two steps behind you walking out the door, but I want the decision to be informed and prayerfully considered.

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Comment on Nothing to Give Except Jesus: A Vicarage Retrospective by Jason http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/nothing-to-give-except-jesus-a-vicarage-retrospective/comment-page-1/#comment-1089705 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:18:23 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44120#comment-1089705 @A guy #37

Some of us are working on solutions. The Lay Ministry task force is attempting to tightened up some of our AC 14 violations. Is it perfect? no, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Some complain about the glacial pace of Pres Harrison or Koinania. I am okay with some of that, so as not to conduct a scorched earth policy (like back stabbing). Prof. Becker is now leaving our synod, but let’s not let up of DRP reformations. Or figuring out better ways of ecclesiastical supervision. i see some education and movement going on. Hopefully return to God’s Word is what we should be steadfast for.

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Tim Schenks http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-2/#comment-1089704 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:18:01 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089704 @Tileman hesshusius #50

What are you talking about? I’m not serving anywhere. I’m quoting my own District’s compensation guidelines (Missouri District).

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Tileman hesshusius http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1089703 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:33:56 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089703 @Tim Schenks #48

huh? Where are you serving, outside of DC? The majority of our churches are less than 80 active Sunday worshippers. Many of them struggle to pay a pastors salary especially in rural America.

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Scott Diekmann http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1089702 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:16:02 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089702 The Northwest District salary guidelines are here:
http://nowlcms.org/sites/www.nowlcms.org/files/SALARY%20GUIDELINES%202015%20for%20website_0.pdf

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Tim Schenks http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1089701 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:57:34 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089701 If a congregation can’t afford the base salary, it should really consider closing or merging with other congregations in the area.

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Tileman hesshusius http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1089700 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:50:14 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089700 @Tim Schenks #44
VP Daniel Preus reported at the MO District convention that most pastors in the Synod start out with a average salary of $49,422, which is about $8,000 less than the suggested MO scale for a new pastor.”

However, a quite a number of congregations cannot even afford a pastor at this base salary not to even mention the Concordia plan benefits that go along with it. Dp’s try real hard for small churches to pony up the cash or be threaten that they will not even be able to receive a sem candidate if they do not pay. I have lived through this at a small church in MO.

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Comment on Learning to Pray from the Imprecatory Psalms by mbw http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/learning-to-pray-from-the-imprecatory-psalms/comment-page-1/#comment-1089699 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:50:38 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44126#comment-1089699 @Carl Vehse #13

I can’t help you!

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Comment on A District President Responds: Doctrinal Supervision Revisited by Brad http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/07/a-district-president-responds-doctrinal-supervision-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1089698 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:29:55 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=44139#comment-1089698 @Tim Schenks #44

Thanks, Tim.

I haven’t been in or around a local LCMS institution (preschool, elementary school, high school, or parish– quite a few, across multiple states) where the folks were paid anywhere near scale. Perhaps there are other places out there more closely aligned, but I haven’t seen it. I’ve seen a lot of initiatives and promises to try to bring various church workers up to scale, usually with 3-5 year horizons, but I’ve never seen one of those initiatives actually succeed.

Of course, I’ve never really worked in nor associated much with the Willow Clone congregations, so perhaps they skew the numbers in the other direction.

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