What is Accomplished with the Money Coming to Synod and the Districts? 7/22/08

July 22nd, 2008 Post by

(from the Texas Confessional Lutherans) Most of you, if not all of you, will be shocked how the offering dollar is used! The following information has been relayed to me from the Purple Palace in St. Louis.



  • 88.7 cents remain in the congregation for mission and ministry.
  • 9.3  cents are passed by the congregation to the district for regional mission and ministry.
  • 1.6 cents passes through the district to the Synod for national and international mission and ministry.
  • 0.6 cents is allocated by Synod in support of LCMS World Mission.


Most on this list to be questioned is your district’s use of almost 10% of each dollar for thier use. We have much too much administration in our districts (and synod). In the Lone Star State many of us  question the need for some of the costly programs employed by our Texas District.  



Isn’t that pathetic? You can’t really blame synod since it receives only 1.6 cents from the districts! I remember a number of years ago synod received about a nickel from the districts for World Missions. I’m afraid synod will get less and less from the congregational dollar as it makes its way through the congregation and district! This is certainly a lamentable situation! This is another indication that we are no longer in our grandfather’s church!


Rev. Andrew Simcak, Jr., President, Texas Confessional Lutherans.

Categories: Texas Confessional Lutherans Tags:

Rules for comments on this site:

Engage the contents and substance of the post. Rabbit trails and side issues do not help the discussion of the topics.  Our authors work hard to write these articles and it is a disservice to them to distract from the topic at hand.  If you have a topic you think is important to have an article or discussion on, we invite you to submit a request through the "Ask a Pastor" link or submit a guest article.

Provide a valid email address. If you’re unwilling to do this, we are unwilling to let you comment.

Provide at least your first name. Please try to come up with a unique name; if you have a common name add something to it so you aren't confused with another user. We have several "john"'s already for example.  If you have a good reason to use a fake name, please do so but realize that the administrators of the site expect a valid email address and also reserve the right to ask you for your name privately at any time.

If you post as more than one person from the same IP address, we’ll block that address.

Do not engage in ad hominem arguments. We will delete such comments, and will not be obligated to respond to any complaints (public or private ones) about deleting your comments.

Interaction between people leaving comments ought to reflect Christian virtue, interaction that is gracious and respectful, not judging motives.  If error is to be rebuked, evidence of the error ought to be provided.

We reserve the right to identify and deal with trollish behavior as we see fit and without apology.  This may include warnings (public or private ones) or banning.

  1. Helen
    July 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 | #1

    Anyone know what our SP’s current wage is?
    I read that he “couldn’t live” on $161,000 (mostly tax free) and got a raise.

    Our few missionaries have to raise their own living plus some for Synod, as Pr. May pointed out in the wake of being fired.
    (One of their complaints was that he cooperated with LHF…which has subsequently hired him to work in Africa.)

    I have heard that we “must give to synod to support our educational system and our missionaries.” It is now evident that Synod does neither. Why do we have district and synod?

  2. LarryLuder
    July 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 | #2

    I believe it is a waste to send God’s treasure to LCMS Inc. It could be put to better use in the Confessional Lutheran Symbols found in our grandfather’s church! If we want our grandfather’s church back, we need to invest in it. This is done by studying his Word and not squandering away congregational dollars to things strange and foreign to Confessional Lutheranism.

  3. July 22nd, 2008 at 15:28 | #3

    The larger problem with LCMS World Mission, and with LHF, is that the mission method used in many cases causes dependency. The organization brings in outside resources which cause a dependency that can rarely be broken. At the same time the outside resources cause conflict, division, resentment etc. in the mission church. Outside resources also allows the missionary to be and remain necessary as the paternal “cash-cow” to “control” the use of the resource. In many parts of the world a large number of people do not care to associate with a US mission organization, and as a result rarely hear the Gospel message. The missionary is seen as a rich man with good contacts in the US and tends to attract those who look for material benefits. I can give personal historical examples of dependency to the serious researcher. Email me if interested.

  4. Rev. Allen Bergstrazer
    July 23rd, 2008 at 13:30 | #4

    I don’t know about the costly programs in the Texas District, but there are quite a few Districts that are underfunded and having to cut back on important programs and sometimes critical programs.

  5. Edith Piaf
    July 23rd, 2008 at 15:00 | #5

    With all due respect to Rev. Simcak, 0.6 is a little more than half a penny.

    With regard to Rev. Dr. Quiche With Kieschnick’s sitch, St. Louis County tax records indicate that he and Mrs. Terry bought their house for an amount quite above the appraised value. I’m not sure why a person would do that, but then, I’m only a street singer. And freedom fighter. And someone who had little to leave to her heirs.

    A bien tot.

  6. Michael Kumm
    July 24th, 2008 at 10:58 | #6

    And why then are we sending our dollars to Synod when we can be getting a much bigger “bang for our buck” sending the money directly to an organization actually doing work in the mission field, i.e. CLEF, Luther Academy, etc.? Why do we support the atrocities in the Violet Vatican if we are so appalled by them? Six figure salaries are commonplace there, while parish pastors in rural areas, many times serving dual and triple parishes, struggle making $25K a year. The whole thing is ridiculous. Want to get K’s attention? Shut off the financial support.

  7. Edith Piaf
    July 24th, 2008 at 11:13 | #7

    Michael Kumm, from your keyboard to our pockets!

    “Get out your checkbooks — and support God’s real work in the world, not the waste in Kirkwood, Mo.”

  8. July 25th, 2008 at 12:09 | #8

    And why then are we sending our dollars to Synod when we can be getting a much bigger “bang for our buck” sending the money directly to an organization actually doing work in the mission field, i.e. CLEF, Luther Academy, etc.?

    Just to make it easier to do the right thing:


    (Y’know, those would make excellent additions to the BJS “Linked Websites” page.)


  9. July 25th, 2008 at 12:11 | #9

    Uh-oh, I guess I messed up the Luther Academy link. I’ll try again:



  10. SteadfastLutherans
    July 25th, 2008 at 14:22 | #10


    Great idea. We will add the links.


  11. July 26th, 2008 at 10:37 | #11

    WHY are you willing to accept the Synod’s assessment of how offering dollars are being expended? Do you know WHAT figures were used to calculate those results? Do you know HOW that data was gathered? WHO gathered this data and interpreted it in this manner?

    Having served on synodical and district boards, I have learned that it doesn’t take much to arrange numbers in ways that may not present an accurate picture of what is going on. These figures ALWAYS deserve scrutiny.

    The conclusion that synodical missions get only 0.6 of every offering dollar deflects criticism away from the synodical executives. It makes it look like the shortfall for missions is not the executives’ fault, but somebody else’s problem — that the districts are withholding too much money and that people aren’t giving enough money. (Now, the districts probably ARE withholding too much money, but that may be besides the fact that the mission execs are not being good stewards with what they’ve been given.)

    0.6 cents on the dollar doesn’t sound like much — but what gross figure are we talking about — even if we would accept this statistical analysis at face value? What percent of the offering dollars would be enough to fund missions adequately? Maybe 0.6 would be enough if it were spent appropriately. But I suspect that there might NEVER be a high enough percentage from the offering dollar which would satisfy mission executives.

    (That is hyperbole, of course, but really — how much really IS needed from each offering dollar given in congregations to support missionaries adequately? If you don’t have a ball-park answer to this question, then you really have no business standing in judgment as to whether 0.6 cents on the dollar is appropriate or not — or the degree to which it is inappropriate, if it is.)

  12. Helen
    July 29th, 2008 at 15:06 | #12

    Considering that our ordained missionaries have to support themselves, provide their own instructional materials [unless they choose to risk firing for cooperation with LHF (a Missions no-no)] ~and~ provide a little gravy for the home office besides,
    how much money does synod NEED for Missions?

  13. July 30th, 2008 at 00:18 | #13

    How many missionaries do we have? If we had to come up with all that missionaries needed to support their work, how much would that be? Couldn’t that be a goal to work toward?

    So, I worded the problem slightly differently than you did: instead of asking how much the SYNOD needs, we should ask how much the MISSIONARIES need.

  1. No trackbacks yet.
If you have problems commenting on this site, or need to change a comment after it has been posted on the site, please contact us. For help with getting your comment formatted, click here.
Subscribe to comments feed  ..  Subscribe to comments feed for this post
Anonymous comments are welcome on this board, but we do require a valid email address so the admins can verify who you are. Please try to come up with a unique name; if you have a common name add something to it so you aren't confused with another user. We have several "john"'s already for example. Email addresses are kept private on this site, and only available to the site admins. Comments posted without a valid email address may not be published. Want an icon to identify your comment? See this page to see how.

Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. You can also subscribe without commenting.