New “draft” minutes of MNS District BOD meeting are public…

December 26th, 2011 Post by

See the minutes here:

Some of my thoughts:

Apparently, the company purchasing ULC is willing to have chapel and office space for ULC to continue (for a price?).

Also, there is a very “pious” note on 1 Peter 3:11 and the MNS District trying to make peace with ULC.  Apparently that means that they are going to hold “up to” $250K for ULC to relocate upon several conditions.  Nothing like being a peacemaker with preconditions for anything to take place.  I am glad that God doesn’t operate this way.

MNS is unwilling to go over $250K in gifts to ULC, they wouldn’t approve 10% (roughly $320K of the $3.2 million the District will profit from the sale of this house of God).  Hey, they are only losing the building they have worshiped in for decades – why should they even get 7% (of course they have some hoops to jump through to even get that)?

“Executive Session” can be a useful tool, but I am suspicious of it being used to mask the plots and plans of men.

Apparently President Harrison was not wanted by the District to help bring reconciliation, but Ambassadors of Reconciliation was acceptable.  I wonder why we are not using our Ecclesiastical Supervisors to help establish unity and re-establish concord?  I have no real experience with Ambassadors of Reconciliation, so I don’t know their theology and the methodology that grows out of it.  Also, in order for there to be reconciliation, wouldn’t there have to be an admission of guilt (confession of sin)?  Also – wouldn’t that penitence manifest itself in seeking to right the wrong?  How about 100% of the sale go to help the congregation relocate (but of course then why sell at all?)?  That might demonstrate a willingness for true, G0d-pleasing reconciliation.  Rejecting a bid for 10% to go to ULC doesn’t seem to fit with this desire to “reconcile”.

 

Lastly, donate to the SAVE ULC capital campaign.






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  1. December 30th, 2011 at 21:45 | #1

    I wonder if “60 Minutes” would be interested…

  2. Redeemed
    December 30th, 2011 at 22:00 | #2

    Maybe someone should ask 60 Minutes!?!? They LOVE conflict. . . but may drag LCMS through the mud in the process. Where’s Mollie?

  3. Rev. Michael G. Piper
    December 31st, 2011 at 17:38 | #3

    Thank you ULC for your latest newsletter, what a wonderful, thriving congregation.

    It has been noted:

    “Accordingly, no resolution of the Synod imposing anything
    upon the individual congregation is of binding force if it is not
    in accordance with the Word of God or if it appears to be inexpedient
    as far as the condition of a congregation is concerned.”

    Does the district exist for the congregations, or the congregations for the district? That it is INEXPEDIENT for ULC is huge. To force a relocation off campus endangers the congregation, severing it from its mission. It gives the appearance of a hostile act.

    If the scriptures say, Speak the truth with your brothers, how can a lawyer put the district under a gag order? Such a gag order would seem to preclude reconciliation!

  4. John Rixe
    December 31st, 2011 at 18:37 | #4

    In case anyone missed it, here is ULC’s excellent newsletter

    http://www.ulcmn.org/News/Newsletter%20-%20Current.pdf

  5. II John
    January 3rd, 2012 at 17:33 | #5

    @Oliver Young #46
    Even if this claim from the MNS-BOD were true, what purpose is there in publishing it in the minutes? It accomplishes nothing except damaging the reputation of fellow brothers and sisters and creates more pain. It isn’t about reconciliation. It is about spin. It is about painting ULC in a very unflattering light. If the statement was true, it would have been worth much more than a few minutes at a BOD meeting in passing. To me, if this were true, it should have brought the meeting to an abrupt end so that this avenue could be pursued and parties brought around the table. Because it was dismissed so quickly, I wonder how real the offer ever actually was. Even now, if the offer was actually ever on the table, could it not be revisited? Of course, this would mean real people putting real information on the table.

  6. Former Anglican
    January 3rd, 2012 at 20:44 | #6

    @II John #55
    II John – you are quite right. All that the MNS-BOD does in regard to ULC is spin, spin, spin with the aim of discrediting ULC herself. Especially as there is no defensible substance or foundation to what they do.

  7. mbw
    January 4th, 2012 at 12:00 | #7

    > I don’t think we need to get bent out of shape

    I don’t appreciate that characterization Helen. In what manner I have indicated that I have gotten bent out of shape?

  8. mbw
    January 4th, 2012 at 12:04 | #8

    @helen #42

    > That remark is very close to libel!

    Oh, malarkey.

    > I would prefer to believe he’d tell the truth.

    I would too, but I’m going beyond the call of duty to tell you that.

    I believe he is wasting the credibility he had earned (with some) when, in rhetorical excess, he goes beyond fact.

  9. Old Time St. John’s
    January 4th, 2012 at 12:31 | #9

    John Rixe :
    Pray for ULC
    “Above all else, we pray the Lord will uphold this congregation and her students in the midst of all of this; for as He has said, even the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His Holy Church.”   http://saveulc.org

    This bears repeating.

  10. Former Anglican
    January 6th, 2012 at 10:46 | #10

    Praise the Lord for the generosity of ULC’s friends and supporters – those that truly value the ministry of this church in the place it has served for so many years. According to the Save ULC website (http://www.saveulc.org/), as of Jan 5, 2012 ULC has received $182,194 in donations.

    ULC’s openness in all things regarding this horrid situation is commendable, and worth copying. Sadly, the MNS-BOD and leadership are probably very pleased with ULC sharing such information – no doubt the more that is raised and donated to ULC, the smaller the amount that they will be willing to pass along in support of relocation:

    “The Board of Directors reaffirms its intent to grant UP TO $250,000 of the net sales proceeds from the sale of the University of Minnesota property to the University Lutheran Chapel to assist them in relocating their ministry” — from the Dec 6, 2011 draft MNS-BOD meeting minutes.

    John Rixe :
    Pray for ULC
    “Above all else, we pray the Lord will uphold this congregation and her students in the midst of all of this; for as He has said, even the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His Holy Church.”   http://saveulc.org

    Lord have mercy on us all.

  11. John Rixe
    January 6th, 2012 at 15:55 | #11

    Pray for the persecuted church around the world including Minneapolis.

  12. LaVonne
    January 8th, 2012 at 21:43 | #12

    If The MN South BOD meeting minutes are false. Has anyone asked the MNS to amend them?

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