Comments on: The Ablaze Edsel Dealership http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164 An international fraternity of confessional Lutheran laymen and pastors, supporting proclamation of Christian doctrine in the new media. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:43:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ray Ott http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-94955 Ray Ott Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:05:40 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-94955 As a geezer raised in Min.ofPenna. Iwas exposed to "who am I,poor rotting bag of bones,that a church should be named after me?" "Let it be called a Christian church". Since the philosopher/theologist had his buddy the Greek prof put it down on paper,shouldn't we perhaps consider it a "Melancthonian Church"? " As a geezer raised in Min.ofPenna. Iwas exposed to “who am I,poor rotting bag of bones,that a church should be named after me?” “Let it be called a Christian church”. Since the philosopher/theologist had his buddy the Greek prof put it down on paper,shouldn’t we perhaps consider it a “Melancthonian Church”?
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]]> By: Carl http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-10717 Carl Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:21:03 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-10717 It seems to me that if we are to compare the situation during the Reformation---Luther and the Pope and all that that entailed regarding false teaching and practice---what really is the difference between then and now?! And how long did it take Luther to get to the point of commissioning Cranach for the cartoons? Was he long-suffering to the extent that he just wrote tracts and did nothing else? The confessional folks, both laity and pastors need to decide when enough is enough and if such excellent, thought-provoking cartoons can be used as a vehicle to make that decision, I say all the better! Great work, Pastor Blazek! It seems to me that if we are to compare the situation during the Reformation—Luther and the Pope and all that
that entailed regarding false teaching and practice—what really is the difference between then and now?!
And how long did it take Luther to get to the point of commissioning Cranach for the cartoons? Was he long-suffering to the extent that he just wrote tracts and did nothing else? The confessional folks, both laity and pastors need to decide when enough is enough and if such excellent, thought-provoking cartoons can be used as a vehicle to make that decision, I say all the better! Great work, Pastor Blazek!

]]> By: KRC http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-3023 KRC Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:18 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-3023 Thank you, Pr. Blazek for your satirical cartoons, it puts a humorous spin on the seriousness of the issue. I had one of my satirical artworks taken off another blog because people were "offended" by it. Laughter and humor make stressful situations more bearable, and this is all it is. Kiley Campbell Thank you, Pr. Blazek for your satirical cartoons, it puts a humorous spin on the seriousness of the issue. I had one of my satirical artworks taken off another blog because people were “offended” by it. Laughter and humor make stressful situations more bearable, and this is all it is.

Kiley Campbell

]]> By: SteadfastLutherans http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1463 SteadfastLutherans Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:05:59 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1463 John H., You're encouragement to the high road is good advice. These matters are not as black and white as we sometimes make them seem. Publishing the Edsel cartoon was done with much careful judgment and prayer. As we continue to make editorial decisions we will always keep in mind your wise words to stay on high ground. We may not always do things exactly as you might but we would be fools to ignore this wisdom of yours. Keep giving us the valuable input. It is all taken in and processed for the good of the Gospel. Pastor Rossow John H.,

You’re encouragement to the high road is good advice. These matters are not as black and white as we sometimes make them seem. Publishing the Edsel cartoon was done with much careful judgment and prayer. As we continue to make editorial decisions we will always keep in mind your wise words to stay on high ground. We may not always do things exactly as you might but we would be fools to ignore this wisdom of yours.

Keep giving us the valuable input. It is all taken in and processed for the good of the Gospel.

Pastor Rossow

]]> By: John Hooss http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1462 John Hooss Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:45:19 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1462 I'm not sure. You are forcing me to read. Darn you Pastors always making me learn more, and read to boot! The people portrayed I feel, have already stumbled. IE the Pope and GK etc.. We can point that out in many ways and in different venues. The people I don't want to fall are the ones on the fringe. The one that understands some of the issue but not the whole. Beleive me I have become so aware of things since March 18 that I never knew existed. I look to this site for the high road if you will. If that includes satire that the brother's feel strong about I can handle it. John I’m not sure. You are forcing me to read. Darn you Pastors always making me learn more, and read to boot!

The people portrayed I feel, have already stumbled. IE the Pope and GK etc.. We can point that out in many ways and in different venues. The people I don’t want to fall are the ones on the fringe. The one that understands some of the issue but not the whole. Beleive me I have become so aware of things since March 18 that I never knew existed. I look to this site for the high road if you will.
If that includes satire that the brother’s feel strong about I can handle it.

John

]]> By: SteadfastLutherans http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1461 SteadfastLutherans Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:03:32 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1461 John Hooss, Thanks for your reasoned approach to the matter. I do not agree with you however. What do you think of your fellow reformer Martin Luther, calling the pope an ass and using many other even sharper attacks. What do you think of Paul in the book of Galatians calling his readers "fools" who had been bewitched? These examples seem much harsher than the cartoons that we are talking about here? Did these words of Luther and Paul cause people to fall? What do you think? Pastor Rossow John Hooss,

Thanks for your reasoned approach to the matter.

I do not agree with you however. What do you think of your fellow reformer Martin Luther, calling the pope an ass and using many other even sharper attacks.

What do you think of Paul in the book of Galatians calling his readers “fools” who had been bewitched?

These examples seem much harsher than the cartoons that we are talking about here? Did these words of Luther and Paul cause people to fall?

What do you think?

Pastor Rossow

]]> By: John Hooss http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1459 John Hooss Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:31:49 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1459 Hum, as a layperson that monitors this site I can take or leave these cartoons. I will say that a good humorous jab at someone who just pulled something stupid works pretty good. How does this appear to others I'm not sure? Pictures / art of any type is subjective to the viewers interpretation. Here is an example. Someone said that the three balloons reminded him of the Trinity. Well being not so pastor like, I thought of the three balls in front of the pawn shop. Were hocking our gift of Lutheranism, the Gospel and the true Word for numbers via the Ablaze program. An unintended view I’m sure, but one nonetheless. If you really need a good dose of satire you can find it. I just think the BJS should be above that to be considered serious group. I guess the long and short of it is we need to be together. If the satire is lost in translation and causes another to fall we need to stop. At no point in this discussion am I criticizing Pastor Blazek. Just my .02 cents worth John Hooss Hum, as a layperson that monitors this site I can take or leave these cartoons. I will say that a good humorous jab at someone who just pulled something stupid works pretty good. How does this appear to others I’m not sure?
Pictures / art of any type is subjective to the viewers interpretation.
Here is an example.

Someone said that the three balloons reminded him of the Trinity. Well being not so pastor like, I thought of the three balls in front of the pawn shop. Were hocking our gift of Lutheranism, the Gospel and the true Word for numbers via the Ablaze program. An unintended view I’m sure, but one nonetheless.

If you really need a good dose of satire you can find it. I just think the BJS should be above that to be considered serious group.

I guess the long and short of it is we need to be together. If the satire is lost in translation and causes another to fall we need to stop.
At no point in this discussion am I criticizing Pastor Blazek.

Just my .02 cents worth

John Hooss

]]> By: LaMarr Blecker http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1241 LaMarr Blecker Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:41:30 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1241 Some years ago, when he was dp of Texas, I likened the subject of your cartoon to a used car salesman. He was not pleased. Some years ago, when he was dp of Texas, I likened the subject of your cartoon to a used car salesman. He was not pleased.

]]> By: Rev. Eric Stefanski http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1240 Rev. Eric Stefanski Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:36:16 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1240 <i>I just think there are better ways to go about criticizing the synod’s ills than “poking fun”. This gives the establishment ammunition, but won’t change minds.</i> Thank you, Pr. Chryst, for your response. I think this is a discussion that needs to take place amongst the orthodox folks in Missouri. Personally, I can see a place for both points of view and simply wonder whether both can well be accommodated on a single site, or if such an attempt will end up having the "persuasive discourse" being relegated to the dust heap by those who don't understand or appreciate the "lampooning depictions." Both agitators and ameliorators can be useful, if only each will see the other as such and if they will generally each keep to his own 'specialty'...which means that some of the closest among us may have to seem distant for the sake of the battle. (IMO, YMMV, etc.) Again, thank you. EJG I just think there are better ways to go about criticizing the synod’s ills than “poking fun”. This gives the establishment ammunition, but won’t change minds.

Thank you, Pr. Chryst, for your response. I think this is a discussion that needs to take place amongst the orthodox folks in Missouri.

Personally, I can see a place for both points of view and simply wonder whether both can well be accommodated on a single site, or if such an attempt will end up having the “persuasive discourse” being relegated to the dust heap by those who don’t understand or appreciate the “lampooning depictions.” Both agitators and ameliorators can be useful, if only each will see the other as such and if they will generally each keep to his own ‘specialty’…which means that some of the closest among us may have to seem distant for the sake of the battle. (IMO, YMMV, etc.)

Again, thank you.

EJG

]]> By: Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=164#comment-1237 Carl Vehse Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:30:53 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/blog/?p=164#comment-1237 This first link should be <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Birth_and_Origin_of_the_Pope_by_Lucas_Cranach.jpg" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. This first link should be this one.

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