Comments on: Wyneken wisdom http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297 An international fraternity of confessional Lutheran laymen and pastors, supporting proclamation of Christian doctrine in the new media. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:43:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74427 Carl Vehse Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:54:21 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74427 Here’s a couple of interesting quotes <a href="http://listserv.cuis.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=WITTENBERG;4VOhaQ;19971114191020" rel="nofollow">posted by Rev. Bob Smith</a> from CTSFW on the Wittenberg List, from Nov. 14, 1997 - <i>An interesting tidbit I learned while trying to discover info about F.C.D. It is from a letter of Wyneken's to A. Biewend, 25 November 1842:</i> "Sadly, I have to confess to you, that, as far as I know, neither love for the Lord, nor love for the orphaned brothers drove me to America. I didn't even want to go. I went there against my will, fighting it. I went because my conscience compelled me, because it was my duty. It grieved me then -- and still grieves me, that I didn't -- still don't love the Lord more and that He had to drive me out to work like a slave." <i>From H.C. Wyneken, LEBENSLAUF VON A. F. C. BIEWEND (St. Louis: CPH, 1896), p. 28.</i> <i>Also, from Walther's opinion of him in the obit of DER LUTHERANER 32 (1876) No. 10:<i> "...A rich and highly-gifted spirit, a truly evangelical preacher, "an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures," a pastor experienced in the school of heavy spiritual struggles, a fearless witness to the pure, whole truth, a heroic soldier of the same, a true watchman of the church, a man without falsehood, whose whole way of life bore the stamp of righteousness and honesty, an enemy of all liars and heretics, a true Nathaniel, in short, a mighty Christian and a true servant of His Lord... to thousands a spiritual father, to whole regions of America an apostle, but above all, a man man loved and honored as much as anyone can be, a beautiful jewel and powerful tool of our American Lutheran Zion, whose name will never fade, but will be blessed and remain as long as the name of our native Lutheran Church remains." <i>The fun is putting these two opinions together.</i> Here’s a couple of interesting quotes posted by Rev. Bob Smith from CTSFW on the Wittenberg List, from Nov. 14, 1997 –

An interesting tidbit I learned while trying to discover info about F.C.D. It is from a letter of Wyneken’s to A. Biewend, 25 November 1842:

“Sadly, I have to confess to you, that, as far as I know, neither love for the Lord, nor love for the orphaned brothers drove me to America. I didn’t even want to go. I went there against my will, fighting it. I went because my conscience compelled me, because it was my duty. It grieved me then — and still grieves me, that I didn’t — still don’t love the Lord more and that He had to drive me out to work like a slave.”

From H.C. Wyneken, LEBENSLAUF VON A. F. C. BIEWEND (St. Louis: CPH, 1896), p. 28.

Also, from Walther’s opinion of him in the obit of DER LUTHERANER 32 (1876) No. 10:

“…A rich and highly-gifted spirit, a truly evangelical preacher, “an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures,” a pastor experienced in the school of heavy spiritual struggles, a fearless witness to the pure, whole truth, a heroic soldier of the same, a true watchman of the church, a man without falsehood, whose whole way of life bore the stamp of righteousness and honesty, an enemy of all liars and heretics, a true Nathaniel, in short, a mighty Christian and a true servant of His Lord… to thousands a spiritual father, to whole regions of America an apostle, but above all, a man man loved and honored as much as anyone can be, a beautiful jewel and powerful tool of our American Lutheran Zion, whose name will never fade, but will be blessed and remain as long as the name of our native Lutheran Church remains.”

The fun is putting these two opinions together.

]]> By: Alex http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74419 Alex Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:23:16 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74419 Rev. Harrison also recalls the encounter in <a href="http://mercyjourney.blogspot.com/2009/10/well-guess-what-now-occupies-friedrich.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> blog post. I find it interesting that they tried to pass themselves off as Lutheran but were recognized by Wyneken as anything but. I'm sure he would have a similar reaction to some ELCA churches today. While the LCMS does have a growing diversity of worship practices I'm still hoping that we can become united again since our differences do not seem as extreme as what Wyneken came across. Rev. Harrison also recalls the encounter in this blog post. I find it interesting that they tried to pass themselves off as Lutheran but were recognized by Wyneken as anything but. I’m sure he would have a similar reaction to some ELCA churches today. While the LCMS does have a growing diversity of worship practices I’m still hoping that we can become united again since our differences do not seem as extreme as what Wyneken came across.

]]> By: Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74417 Carl Vehse Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:47:00 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74417 Oops. Make that 1838 when Wyneken immigrated to America and went to Baltimore. Oops. Make that 1838 when Wyneken immigrated to America and went to Baltimore.

]]> By: Carl Vehse http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74401 Carl Vehse Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:07:34 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74401 Here is a <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z-rGBxxh2Fo/SuI5wzrWspI/AAAAAAAACDQ/PFF9WHCc-zg/s1600-h/Wyneken+Weekend+-+Martini+LCMS+2009+102.jpg" rel="nofollow">picture of Rev Harrison</a> standing in front of the Old Otterbein Methodist Church in Baltimore, where F.C.D. Wyneken made his comments after attending the congregation's prayer service in 1839. Here is a picture of the <a href="http://www.baltimore.biz/images/old-otterbein-church.jpg" rel="nofollow">exterior of Old Otterbein</a> and the <a href="http://www.oldotterbeinumc.org/Photos/Katie.jpg" rel="nofollow">sanctuary that Wyneken probably saw</a> (less the girl acolyte, of course). Rev. Harrison mention the episode in his <a href="http://mercyjourney.blogspot.com/2009/10/at-old-otterbein.html" rel="nofollow">October 23, 2009 Mercy Journeys column</a>. Here is a picture of Rev Harrison standing in front of the Old Otterbein Methodist Church in Baltimore, where F.C.D. Wyneken made his comments after attending the congregation’s prayer service in 1839.

Here is a picture of the exterior of Old Otterbein and the sanctuary that Wyneken probably saw (less the girl acolyte, of course).

Rev. Harrison mention the episode in his October 23, 2009 Mercy Journeys column.

]]> By: Zant http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74363 Zant Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:23:24 +0000 http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=9297#comment-74363 That YouTube clip made me smile. Thanks for posting. That YouTube clip made me smile. Thanks for posting.

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