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	<title>Comments on: Electing Circuit Delegates: The Key to the Convention (by Pr. Charles Henrickson)</title>
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		<title>By: Charles Henrickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Henrickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;d add one thing. Perhaps just as important is getting as many nominations for the right presidential candidate as possible. . . . Just as it&#039;s hard to overstate the importance of electing delegates at the circuit forums, it&#039;s also paramount to win the nomination contest, too.&quot; --TC

You are correct, Tom Chryst. Circuit delegates and congregational nominations are the two main tasks we need to get done in advance of the convention. The reason I did not mention nominations at this time is that that process does not begin until late October (although we can certainly do some prep work before then, to get congregations familiar with a candidate). Right now the task at hand is delegates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d add one thing. Perhaps just as important is getting as many nominations for the right presidential candidate as possible. . . . Just as it&#8217;s hard to overstate the importance of electing delegates at the circuit forums, it&#8217;s also paramount to win the nomination contest, too.&#8221; &#8211;TC</p>
<p>You are correct, Tom Chryst. Circuit delegates and congregational nominations are the two main tasks we need to get done in advance of the convention. The reason I did not mention nominations at this time is that that process does not begin until late October (although we can certainly do some prep work before then, to get congregations familiar with a candidate). Right now the task at hand is delegates.</p>
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		<title>By: Chryst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chryst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Charlie.  I wrote a similar piece a while back:  http://preachrblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/where-lcms-president-is-really-elected.html

I&#039;d add one thing.  Perhaps just as important is getting as many nominations for the right presidential candidate as possible.  

It is powerfully persuasive to &quot;undecided&quot; delegates if a candidate, especially a challenger, gets more congregational nominations than the other.  People have a natural tendency to vote with the crowd, or on the &quot;winning side&quot;.  

So in this way, too, the convention (at least the election of president) may be decided well before July of 2010.

Remember that each congregation gets to nominate 2 for President.  So even if it&#039;s a congregation of mixed opinion (some favoring the incumbent, some not) they should be encouraged to nominate both men!!

Just as it&#039;s hard to overstate the importance of electing delegates at the circuit forums, it&#039;s also paramount to win the nomination contest, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Charlie.  I wrote a similar piece a while back:  <a href="http://preachrblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/where-lcms-president-is-really-elected.html" rel="nofollow">http://preachrblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/where-lcms-president-is-really-elected.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d add one thing.  Perhaps just as important is getting as many nominations for the right presidential candidate as possible.  </p>
<p>It is powerfully persuasive to &#8220;undecided&#8221; delegates if a candidate, especially a challenger, gets more congregational nominations than the other.  People have a natural tendency to vote with the crowd, or on the &#8220;winning side&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So in this way, too, the convention (at least the election of president) may be decided well before July of 2010.</p>
<p>Remember that each congregation gets to nominate 2 for President.  So even if it&#8217;s a congregation of mixed opinion (some favoring the incumbent, some not) they should be encouraged to nominate both men!!</p>
<p>Just as it&#8217;s hard to overstate the importance of electing delegates at the circuit forums, it&#8217;s also paramount to win the nomination contest, too.</p>
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		<title>By: George Naylor</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47586</link>
		<dc:creator>George Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, #18, certainly you&#039;re entitled to your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, #18, certainly you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Vehse</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47567</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Vehse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The polity of the Missouri Synod has elected may good district and synodical presidents.  That a few rotten apples and resolutions are occasionally elected or passed does not mean the polity is bad, but that the delegates are not making wise voting decisions or are competent on how to use parliamentary procedures at a convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polity of the Missouri Synod has elected may good district and synodical presidents.  That a few rotten apples and resolutions are occasionally elected or passed does not mean the polity is bad, but that the delegates are not making wise voting decisions or are competent on how to use parliamentary procedures at a convention.</p>
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		<title>By: George Selvestra</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47530</link>
		<dc:creator>George Selvestra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well folks, I have noted several statements of &quot;politics as usual&quot; or words to that effect.  If we have elected officials and votes to pass or defeat memorials/resolutions doesen&#039;t that make the whole thing political?  So, I suggest that everyone quit your griping about the politics and organize politically to get things back to a Scriptural and Confessional form as the LCMS is supposed to be with a presidium that will adhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well folks, I have noted several statements of &#8220;politics as usual&#8221; or words to that effect.  If we have elected officials and votes to pass or defeat memorials/resolutions doesen&#8217;t that make the whole thing political?  So, I suggest that everyone quit your griping about the politics and organize politically to get things back to a Scriptural and Confessional form as the LCMS is supposed to be with a presidium that will adhere!</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To have a synodical president who is a theologian and has done ministry instead of just talking about it would be a huge step in the right direction for the LCMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have a synodical president who is a theologian and has done ministry instead of just talking about it would be a huge step in the right direction for the LCMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Vehse</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47473</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Vehse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;So, your solution is politics as usual? Doing whatâ€™s been done in the past? Havenâ€™t we already been trying to do these exact things? Trying to educate the laity on their rights &amp; responsibilities. Trying to get good solid delegates elected. Trying to hold people accountable for their actions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, this time let&#039;s do it with a more positive attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;So, your solution is politics as usual? Doing whatâ€™s been done in the past? Havenâ€™t we already been trying to do these exact things? Trying to educate the laity on their rights &amp; responsibilities. Trying to get good solid delegates elected. Trying to hold people accountable for their actions.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, this time let&#8217;s do it with a more positive attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: George Naylor</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47469</link>
		<dc:creator>George Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,  sorry to imply that you were thinking or suggesting &quot;that we can &#039;save the synod&#039; and automatically get everyone theologically united just by winning a presidential election.&quot;

I didn&#039;t mean to do that.  I know that that&#039;s not been your position at all.  But I have heard that thinking from others, that if only we could control things, things would get better in the synod.  If it were only &quot;our&quot; guys, etc.  

Actually I think if Matt is elected, things might tend to get worse in the synod, but it would be a good kind of worse because our differences and disunity might actually start being addressed in an honest, open way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,  sorry to imply that you were thinking or suggesting &#8220;that we can &#8216;save the synod&#8217; and automatically get everyone theologically united just by winning a presidential election.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to do that.  I know that that&#8217;s not been your position at all.  But I have heard that thinking from others, that if only we could control things, things would get better in the synod.  If it were only &#8220;our&#8221; guys, etc.  </p>
<p>Actually I think if Matt is elected, things might tend to get worse in the synod, but it would be a good kind of worse because our differences and disunity might actually start being addressed in an honest, open way.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Henrickson</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47465</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Henrickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still doesnâ€™t mean Iâ€™m not going to present Matthew Harrison as a candidate for President to my congregation or that Iâ€™m not going to go to the Circuit Forum along with a lay member to participate in choosing delegates for the convention.&quot; --GN

Bingo!  That&#039;s what we need to be doing, George, and that&#039;s why I wrote this article.  I know I have never thought or suggested that we can &quot;save the synod&quot; and automatically get everyone theologically united just by winning a presidential election.  But that should not stop us from trying to win the presidential election!  Harrison as SP instead of Kieschnick would be a huge improvement!  Many decisions, appointments, etc., would be a whole lot better theologically.  And Harrison would support and encourage and seek to implement the *long-term* task of building increased theological unity in doctrine and practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still doesnâ€™t mean Iâ€™m not going to present Matthew Harrison as a candidate for President to my congregation or that Iâ€™m not going to go to the Circuit Forum along with a lay member to participate in choosing delegates for the convention.&#8221; &#8211;GN</p>
<p>Bingo!  That&#8217;s what we need to be doing, George, and that&#8217;s why I wrote this article.  I know I have never thought or suggested that we can &#8220;save the synod&#8221; and automatically get everyone theologically united just by winning a presidential election.  But that should not stop us from trying to win the presidential election!  Harrison as SP instead of Kieschnick would be a huge improvement!  Many decisions, appointments, etc., would be a whole lot better theologically.  And Harrison would support and encourage and seek to implement the *long-term* task of building increased theological unity in doctrine and practice.</p>
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		<title>By: George Naylor</title>
		<link>http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=5779#comment-47463</link>
		<dc:creator>George Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, your solution is politics as usual?  Doing what&#039;s been done in the past?  Haven&#039;t we already been trying to do these exact things?  Trying to educate the laity on their rights &amp; responsibilities.  Trying to get good solid delegates elected.  Trying to hold people accountable for their actions.

Don&#039;t get me wrong.  We should be doing those things.  But we&#039;ve been doing it for how long &amp;, if we believe your take on things, we&#039;ve only moved closer to an episcopal system?  I fail to see that as a solution.  

My thoughts in Comment #11 still sums up the situation for me.  We do what we can &amp; realize that even if we do take back a majority of votes &amp; positions in our synod, that that doesn&#039;t solve our problems or bring unity or do away with the bureaucratic power structure that&#039;s in place.  

Still doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m not going to present Matthew Harrison as a candidate for President to my congregation or that I&#039;m not going to go to the Circuit Forum along with a lay member to participate in choosing delegates for the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, your solution is politics as usual?  Doing what&#8217;s been done in the past?  Haven&#8217;t we already been trying to do these exact things?  Trying to educate the laity on their rights &amp; responsibilities.  Trying to get good solid delegates elected.  Trying to hold people accountable for their actions.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  We should be doing those things.  But we&#8217;ve been doing it for how long &amp;, if we believe your take on things, we&#8217;ve only moved closer to an episcopal system?  I fail to see that as a solution.  </p>
<p>My thoughts in Comment #11 still sums up the situation for me.  We do what we can &amp; realize that even if we do take back a majority of votes &amp; positions in our synod, that that doesn&#8217;t solve our problems or bring unity or do away with the bureaucratic power structure that&#8217;s in place.  </p>
<p>Still doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m not going to present Matthew Harrison as a candidate for President to my congregation or that I&#8217;m not going to go to the Circuit Forum along with a lay member to participate in choosing delegates for the convention.</p>
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