Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog – DP’s, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2’ers or BJS’ers? by Pr. Rossow

The 5/2 editors are deleting comments on their blogs that they apparently don’t like. (You can find these blogs at the Five Two Facebook page.) A couple of our writers have posted comments asking questions about some of the 5/2 practices and they have been deleted. So I ask the District Presidents of the LCMS, who are the genuinely courageous and open folks in the LCMS, the 5/2’ers or the BJS’ers?

We have a very liberal and open comment policy here at BJS. Through the years I have been pressured to delete various comments that include false teaching and personal attacks. We have started to delete unfair personal attacks but we never have and still do not delete critical or heretical comments. We don’t delete comments we disagree with here at BJS. Instead we discuss, debate and debunk what we disagree with, all in the transparent, open world of the blogosphere.

BJS’ers have often been criticized for being fearful and closed-minded in our attempts at incessant doctrinal purification while church growth churches are held up as bold and courageous while they embrace every fad that comes along. Time and time again we find in the world of the church and politics that it is the liberals who are close-minded to other views and who fearfully try to silence others. Conservatives fearlessly welcome debate and discussion.

Consider this as well. Back in the days of President Kieschnick, CPH published a book about courageous churches which of course were all churches that sought to mimic the culture. What is more courageous, to bow to the culture of narcissism and felt needs with a contemporary style or to stand up to the culture with historic and timeless style?

We are starting to take screen shots to record the comments that are getting deleted on the 5/2 blogs. We will keep you posted.

About Pastor Tim Rossow

Rev. Dr. Timothy Rossow is the Director of Development for Lutherans in Africa. He served Bethany Lutheran Church in Naperville, IL as the Sr. Pastor for 22 years (1994-2016) and was Sr. Pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran in Dearborn, MI prior to that. He is the founder of Brothers of John the Steadfast but handed off the Sr. Editor position to Rev. Joshua Scheer in 2015. He currently resides in Ocean Shores WA with his wife Phyllis. He regularly teaches in Africa. He also paints watercolors, reads philosophy and golfs. He is currently represented in two art galleries in the Pacific Northwest. His M Div is from Concordia, St. Louis and he has an MA in philosophy from St. Louis University and a D Min from Concordia, Fort Wayne.


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Deleted Comments at 5/2 Blog – DP’s, Who is Genuinely Courageous and Open, 5/2’ers or BJS’ers? by Pr. Rossow — 23 Comments

  1. Hmm, sounds like OWN. (Ordain Women Now) On their Facebook page, they have massively deleted posts, especially when it has been faithful women like Dcs. Kim Schave who would argue against their polemics. I guess since 5/2 also operates under an innovative type paradigm, maybe it’s not too surprising they also practice similar results.

    Kinda hypocritical of them. 5/2 brags about haters will hate, almost like they dare us to challenge them. Then when we do, they are forced to delete our comments, for they are too embarrassing to their agenda. As though the opinion and evidence is strongly against them. Sad….

  2. It is, at once, both a glorious time to be a Confessional Lutheran . . .

    And the worst of times for the Church.

    Then again, that has always been the case.

  3. Article XXIV (XII): Of the Mass.
    At the outset we must again make the preliminary statement that we 1] do not abolish the Mass, but religiously maintain and defend it. For among us masses are celebrated every Lord’s Day and on the other festivals, in which the Sacrament is offered to those who wish to use it, after they have been examined and absolved. And the usual public ceremonies are observed, the series of lessons, of prayers, vestments, and other like things.

  4. Tell me about it. I’ve tried twice to comment on their top post (The one with the quote attributed to Luther at the Diet of Worms/1521) and both times they deleted my comments.

    In a nutshell, I pointed out that they quote Luther, but failed to recognize the context. Ironically, the quote is attributed to Luther standing steadfast to scripture and his confession. Yet, they contradict the confessions regarding the Office of Holy Ministry. To wrap it up I offered this quote from Luther:

    Luther’s preface to the Smalcald Articles:

    4] ……. [and] yet there are found such spiteful men, not only among the adversaries,
    but also false brethren that profess to be on our side, as dare to cite my writings and
    doctrine directly against myself, and let me look on and listen, although they know well that
    I teach otherwise, and as wish to adorn their venom with my labor, and under my name to
    [deceive and] mislead the poor people. [Good God!] Alas! what first will happen when I am
    dead? (SA Preface 4)

    I think I might be on permanent Auto-Delete at the old FiveTwo facebook site.

    Edited Update: Confirmed. All of my comments were removed and I am now banned. Bummer.

  5. But my question as posted on Joshua’s FB page: will they ever see any discipline from Synodical Officers? My thought no!

  6. “A man who first tried to guess ‘what the public wants,’ and then preached that as Christianity because the public wants it, would be a pretty mixture of fool and knave”
    ― C.S. Lewis, Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer

  7. @Randy #9
    Randy, some of your other comments have been deleted also. Next time you comment please do a screen capture after they are published. Save it to google photos or flickr or something like that, and let us have the link if you are willing to have us use it.

  8. Great words, Pastor Abrahamson. Anyone who posts on their FB page should do just as you recommend. You/BJS may always use whatever I post. However, apparently the FiveTwo folks completely cut me off, as I no longer have the “comment” feature available on their FB page. I am persona non grata……..

    Apparently, they aren’t interested in discussing their beliefs and practices.

    Randy

  9. @Randy #13

    So what else is new? Several years ago, I offered a comment on the DayStar website re: the Yankee Stadium debacle. The moderator effectively banned me by saying words to the effect that he would no longer reply to me, and that I was unwelcome there. So, I haven’t been back. A bit later, I also got immoderately trashed by the moderator on ALPB, so my final post read something like, “I’m outta here,” and I haven’t been back. Totalitarians will not tolerate dissent.

  10. @Harry Edmon #16

    Thanks for the link!

    I was able to post the link as a comment to several posts on FiveTwo’s FB page, but now I am blocked, too. Heh heh heh. Let’s see if they are as fast to delete the comments I managed to make before they blocked me…

    Here’s what I pasted:
    If Five Two has Biblical truth on their side why do they refuse to Biblically explain their position and provide solid Biblical answers to those people who are asking the tough Biblical questions? Could it be that they’re not interested in Biblical truth but instead are feigning allegiance to Biblical truth while openly acting contrary to it? – See more at: http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/the-questions-five-two-doesnt-want-you-to-see-and-wont-answer.html#sthash.DrS7wrq2.dpuf

  11. Pastor Crandall,

    I saw your post. It vanished almost instantly. They are doing all they can to give the appearance on their FB site that they have the theological high ground. Pretty easy to do when they CONTROL the discussion. Regardless, thank you for the attempt, Pastor Crandall. As always, your words were direct and vital to the discussion. However, it’s apparent to me that Woolsey has groomed his Sacramental Entrepreneurs to defend his flawed positions at all cost.

    Very few of us can post anymore. However, Woolsey has learned well from the boss. Both he and Harrison refuse to speak up.

  12. A bit of hypocrisy from Pastor Rossow who likes to delete comments himself; like the ones he wrote about Pastor Morris… (Quoted from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/lcms-newtown-interfaith-prayers-reopens-old-wounds-for-missouri-synod_n_2681340.html)

    “But the Rev. Timothy Rossow, a pastor from Naperville, Ill., and Steadfast Lutherans’ leader, compared the disclaimer to a man whose wife had caught him with a prostitute and who offered her an excuse that “it was OK because before we had sex we each claimed that this had no bearing on any other physical relation that we have, right or wrong, with any other person.”

    Another pastor said that by participating in the service Morris had sinned. “There is no other way to say it,” he wrote.

    One commenter said Morris’ participation in the service “does more harm to the souls of the survivors than any gunman could ever do.”

    “Does anyone else agree that Pastor Morris’ action is more abominable than those committed by the gunman?” the commenter asked.

    “Yes I do,” Rossow answered in a post that followed. “The gunman killed the body which lasts for 70 or 80 years. … False teaching and practice kills the soul which lives for eternity in heaven or hell.”

  13. Reaper,

    I stand by the comment. I deleted it out of love for those who asked.

    BTW – throwing bombs like this (it’s really just a stink bomb and some sort of inane stretch on your part since I deleted my own comment) calls for you to use your real name. Please share with us who you are. It is shameful to hide in the darkness and make comments like this.

  14. @Randy #18
    I saw your post. It vanished almost instantly. They are doing all they can to give the appearance on their FB site that they have the theological high ground.

    Ah, well! They learned the trick from Cyberbrethren. PTM censored his blog severely and criticized others who had more open policies.

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