Trouble stirring at Concordia Chicago

concordia_1Yesterday it was brought to light that there is trouble stirring up at Concordia University in Chicago. The issue can be seen on this link that the Psychology Department at CUC is possibly allowing students to complete an internship with Planned Parenthood (at least they did allow it in 2012). The description of Planned Parenthood is found on the site as:

“PPIL is a respected leader in educating Illinoisans about sexual and reproductive health. We deliver age appropriate, comprehensive and medically accurate information that empowers women, men, teens, and families to make informed choices and lead healthy lives. PPIL is proud of its vital role in providing young people with honest sexuality and relationship information in classrooms, in communities,and online.”

Nothing is said about abortion, birth control, or the eugenic ideology that is at the foundation of Planned Parenthood. It would be easy at a time like this to condemn the entire university, or try to point fingers and accuse certain parties of the wrongdoing. However, this is not beneficial, nor is it in keeping with the 8th commandment. What we as a Church need to do right now is pray for the faithful Lutheran confessors at CUC – that they will see this information and act in accordance with their calling. Please pray for the Theology Faculty and for all those at CUC who are opposed to this curriculum. In addition, please be prudent and call the University if you have questions. Is Planned Parenthood a wicked organization that destroys life? Yes, it is. That is not the argument here. The issue is that this is stopped and faithful proclamation takes place. Let’s follow the 8th commandment and seek concord in this matter and pray for the guidance of Sacred Scripture.

Stay tuned to Steadfast Lutherans as we will try to cover this as it unfolds further.

Pastor Chris Hull

About Pastor Chris Hull

Chris Hull is the Senior Pastor of Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church in Normal, Illinois. He was married to Allison Desiree Monk on June 3rd, 2006. They have been blessed with two boys, Lochlann Richard Patrick and Eamonn Julius Luther. Their third son is due in July. Pastor Hull graduated from Concordia University in River Forest, Il in 2006. He received his Master of Divinity from Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, in 2010. Presently he is under the supervision of Dr. James Nestingen in the Master Of Theology program through the Wittenberg Institute.

Pastor Hull has been at Christ Lutheran since July of 2010 where he was called as the Associate Pastor in July of 2010 and then called as the Senior Pastor in March of 2011. He posts his sermons, based on the historic lectionary, online and hosts Tuesdays With Luther which can be viewed on his youtube page.


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Trouble stirring at Concordia Chicago — 232 Comments

  1. @Justus #49

    Moreover, do we really live in a society where homosexuals are routinely “harassed” and “discriminated” against? Of course, there are instances of violence against gays (which is sinful as well), but by and large homosexuality is widely celebrated and people who oppose it are condemned and themselves marginalized. When you receive personal congratulatory phone calls from the President for simply announcing publicly that you like to have sexual relations with the same gender, it’s pretty hard to see how gays are a terrified minority cowering in the shadows.

  2. Justus :
    Should homosexuals be harassed and discriminated against at Concordia-Portland?

    If “harassed” and “discriminated against” in this context are defined as “being forced to live with the fact that people who believe in God, and who also think that the Bible disapproves of sexual relations between persons of the same gender, exist, and are allowed to exist”, or anything along those lines (the way “harassed” and “discriminated against” are defined, implicitly or explicitly, in so many other contexts these days), then homosexuals at Concordia Portland should indeed be harassed and discriminated against, as should everybody else everywhere else.
    Otherwise – obviously – not …

  3. Thomas :
    @Justus #49
    Homosexuality is sinful. Like all sinful conduct, it is “un-Lutheran” to condone, excuse, celebrate, and promote it.

    None of those were the stated goals of the organization in question.

  4. Jais H. Tinglund :

    Justus :
    Should homosexuals be harassed and discriminated against at Concordia-Portland?

    If “harassed” and “discriminated against” in this context are defined as “being forced to live with the fact that people who believe in God, and who also think that the Bible disapproves of sexual relations between persons of the same gender, exist, and are allowed to exist”, or anything along those lines (the way “harassed” and “discriminated against” are defined, implicitly or explicitly, in so many other contexts these days), then homosexuals at Concordia Portland should indeed be harassed and discriminated against, as should everybody else everywhere else.
    Otherwise – obviously – not …

    I have no idea what you are saying.

  5. @Mark Louderback #27
    Well, technically I am forced to read BJS to be sure that a post has not started about me without my being informed. :)

    There’s an app to tell you that.
    Apply to PTMcCain (who would appear at the mention of his name or CPH, but I think he’s been barred here).
    [Or CarlVehse (who has not) will supply the information.]

    You aren’t forced to write, whether you are mentioned or not. ; )

  6. @Justus #3

    So “The Unity Club” regards homosexuality as sinful? Or does it it accept homosexuality as a legitimate behavior on par with heterosexuality and consider it “harassment” when other people refuse to accept it as well? If you think that organizations like The Unity Club don’t condone and approve of homosexuality then you’re being intentionally naive.

  7. @helen #5

    You aren’t forced to write, whether you are mentioned or not. ; )

    He is absolutely forced to write.  Please see comment #29, pg 4.

  8. Justus :

    Jais H. Tinglund :

    Justus :
    Should homosexuals be harassed and discriminated against at Concordia-Portland?

    If “harassed” and “discriminated against” in this context are defined as “being forced to live with the fact that people who believe in God, and who also think that the Bible disapproves of sexual relations between persons of the same gender, exist, and are allowed to exist”, or anything along those lines (the way “harassed” and “discriminated against” are defined, implicitly or explicitly, in so many other contexts these days), then homosexuals at Concordia Portland should indeed be harassed and discriminated against, as should everybody else everywhere else.
    Otherwise – obviously – not …

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    I am sorry for that – in more ways than one.
    I am sure, though, that you will be able to find somebody capable of reading at an adult level who will be glad to explain it to you, or just somebody capable of reading who will be glad to read it to you, or – whatever stands in your way , I am sure somebody will be glad to help you …

  9. Thomas :
    @Justus #3
    So “The Unity Club” regards homosexuality as sinful? Or does it it accept homosexuality as a legitimate behavior on par with heterosexuality and consider it “harassment” when other people refuse to accept it as well? If you think that organizations like The Unity Club don’t condone and approve of homosexuality then you’re being intentionally naive.

    From what has been linked, the “Unity Club” has a charter that describes the goal of the organization. It is (from the Concordia-Portland official website):

    “Unity Club provides a safe gathering place for discussion of issues related to homosexual orientation, in particular the harassment, discrimination or otherwise un-Christian treatment of marginalized groups. Unity Club aims to help all students grow in friendship, knowledge, faith and service, making the University a safe place to study, understand, and minister for all.”

    The goals listed in such a charter are fully in consonance with those of the LCMS. While innuendo may be the basis for anonymous internet criticism, it is not a basis upon which approval of a given student organization may be based. Groups are approved based upon their stated goals.

  10. @John Rixe #7

    How is on earth is anybody forced to respond to something written on an internet blog? He can simply choose to ignore the whole thing. My personal feeing is that Mr. Louderback likes the attention and enjoys responding. After all, he did bring himself up on this thread completely of his own volition.

  11. Justus :
    Fascinating.
    From the OregonLive article cited upstream: “Scott Cozza, who lives in Vancouver, is co-founder of the Gay Straight Coalition at Concordia. The group, which Cozza said is not recognized by the university…”
    So Concordia-Portland does not recognize it and therefore has no control over it.

    The lack of “recognition” by the university does not mean that the university does not have control over it. Moreover, this is beside the point.

    The Unity Club, which is recognized, has a purpose which is, from the same article: “to provide a safe gathering place for discussion of issues related to homosexual orientation, in particular the harassment, discrimination or otherwise un-Christian treatment of marginalized groups.”

    The university has a duty as a Christian institution in loco parentis to place limits on this sort of propaganda. To describe the phenomenon of homosexuality as an “orientation” is only to compound the problem. You may as well have a club for students who wish to be open about their kleptomania and have it not only condoned but celebrated by the student body and administration.

    Should homosexuals be harassed and discriminated against at Concordia-Portland? Is a group that advocates that this not happen somehow un-Lutheran? Is a university that would host a group who seeks to make sure certain groups are not discriminated against or harassed un-Lutheran for doing so?

    This is a complete and total red herring, for of course the purpose of this club on Concordia’s campus is not merely to advocate that “homosexual” students not be harassed or unfairly discriminated against — not at all. Like their counterparts all across this country, this group advocates sodomy as a good, admirable, and even courageous thing. Unless they seek to aid students who struggle with homoerotic tendencies to live chaste and celibate lives, they have no place on a Christian university campus.

    I do not know you, Justus, so I do not wish to assume anything regarding where you are coming from. But homosexuals are not “a group” in any defined sense, and they are certainly not marginalized in Portland, Oregon. And I know what I am talking about — I’ve lived in the Willamette Valley for twenty years.

  12. @Justus #12

    You didn’t respond at all to what I wrote. You just reiterated the Unity Club charter. Confessional Lutheranism does not approve of homosexual activity, because it it sinful. If the Unity Club were devoted to helping people cease engaging in homosexual activity, that would be in accord with Lutheranism. However, it seems highly unlikely that the purpose of this organization is to condemn sinful conduct. Rather, based on their charter, it seems much more likely that they want to create an environment were all groups, gays included, feel as though their behavior is perfectly acceptable. By the way, are gays facing a wave of harassment and discrimination at this (or any university)? This whole debate is pretty silly. You and I both know that The Unity Club has no interest in helping people change their sinful behavior.

  13. @John Rixe #9
    You do surprise me a bit, Mr. Rixe, but since you are not being rude about it I shall give it another whirl.

    I think we are all very aware that it has become common in recent years to throw terms such as “discrimination” or “harassment” or “hate” against anybody who publicly expresses the belief that Holy Scripture disapproves of sexual relations between persons of the same gender – and that what Holy Scripture teaches is truth from God – in other words: that homosexual activity goes against the will of God.

    I think we have also all become aware of the policy of some, that people who espouse such beliefs should not be allowed to exist, or at least not be allowed to earn a living; their businesses should be boycotted, and the businesses of anyone who does business with them, or anyone who does business with anyone doing business with the,. and they themselves should be removed from the television shows in which they appear, etc. …

    This being the case, one cannot immediately assume, when a group states that its purpose is “to provide a safe gathering place for discussion of issues related to homosexual orientation, in particular the harassment, discrimination or otherwise un-Christian treatment of marginalized groups”, that this is not code for working out strategies to force Christians into silence through legislation, litigation, boycott, harassment, social isolation, or similar means.

    As such, given the current climate in the realm of public discourse, a question such as whether or not homosexuals at Portland-Oregon should be “harassed” or “discriminated against” cannot be answered without first having established within which parameters and definitions the one inquiring is operating. Or in other words: whether or not the question is really whether or not Christians should be allowed at Concordia-Portland, and be allowed to confess their faith and express their opinions. For that could very well be the meaning of the question.

    I am not very good with expressing myself in short sentences, alas, at least not in writing. Short sentences just seem to go against my nature; expressing myself in short sentences bores me immensely. And my desire to express myself in manners amusing to myself tends to get the better of me. At any rate, I hope you will find this comprehensible.

  14. From what has been linked, the “Unity Club” has a charter that describes the goal of the organization. It is (from the Concordia-Portland official website):
    “Unity Club provides a safe gathering place for discussion of issues related to homosexual orientation, in particular the harassment, discrimination or otherwise un-Christian treatment of marginalized groups. Unity Club aims to help all students grow in friendship, knowledge, faith and service, making the University a safe place to study, understand, and minister for all.”
    The goals listed in such a charter are fully in consonance with those of the LCMS. While innuendo may be the basis for anonymous internet criticism, it is not a basis upon which approval of a given student organization may be based. Groups are approved based upon their stated goals.

    The goals in the charter are NOT in consonance with the LCMS. This group is anathema to us and our church body.

    Justus, do you believe that homosexuality is absolutely sinful and an abomination?

    And if anyone doubts that this club supports homosexuality, transgenderism, etc., just look at their Facebook page and Facebook group:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Concordia-Unity-Club/300682506610182

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/668772776485531/ (This one is their facebook group. As long as you have a facebook account, you can see it.)

  15. The goals in the charter are NOT in consonance with the LCMS. This group is anathema to us and our church body.

    So the LCMS’ goals are to discriminate against and harass gay people?

  16. Justus :

    The goals in the charter are NOT in consonance with the LCMS. This group is anathema to us and our church body.

    So the LCMS’ goals are to discriminate and harass gay people?

    Did I say that? You demonstrate yourself to be a dishonest liar, like all supporters of sex perversion.

    The group’s claim to be against “discrimination” is propaganda. Homosexuals are not being discriminated against. The groups purpose is to promote acceptance of homosexuality and transgenderism, which are satanic.

    I will ask again, do you believe that homosexuality and transgenderism are absolutely sinful and an abomination? Do you believe that this group should be banned at CU Portland, or do you support the existence of this club? And are you an LCMS member or not?

  17. On their “About” page, the “Unity Club” writes:

    “Unity Club tries to raise awareness to students and staff/faculty through speakers and documentaries, attending events in the city of Portland, and leading seminars about Safe Space Ally Training.”

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Concordia-Unity-Club/300682506610182?id=300682506610182&sk=info

    This is the kind of thing they’re referring to:

    http://www.brandeis.edu/glbtq/outallies/index.html

    http://www.sandiego.edu/unitedfront/programs/safe_space_allies/

  18. @Justus #20

    The “goal” of the LCMS is to help bring people to salvation by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Celebrating and promoting homosexuality or any other kind of sinful activity is not the goal of an orthodox Lutheran church body.

  19. Nicholas :

    Justus :

    The goals in the charter are NOT in consonance with the LCMS. This group is anathema to us and our church body.

    So the LCMS’ goals are to discriminate and harass gay people?

    Did I say that? You demonstrate yourself to be a dishonest liar, like all supporters of sex perversion.

    Baloney. I have quoted the stated goals of the organization in the charter, which are to work against the discrimination and harassment of gay people. You are the one who said that those goals are, to quote you, “NOT in consonance with the LCMS.”

    If there is dishonest lying going around, it is not on my behalf. Own what you say.

  20. Thomas :
    @Justus #20
    The “goal” of the LCMS is to help bring people to salvation by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Celebrating and promoting homosexuality or any other kind of sinful activity is not the goal of an orthodox Lutheran church body.

    And again, where do you find the “celebrating and promoting of homosexuality or any other kind of sinful activity” in the charter?

    Of course, it is not there. You are making this up out of whole cloth.

  21. Nicholas :
    @Justus #24
    Answer my questions. Is homosexuality absolutely sinful and an abomination or not? Are you an LCMS member or not?

    Same-sex sexual behavior is sinful. I am LCMS.

  22. @Justus #25

    I notice that you seem to be avoiding a lot of direct questions. That makes me wonder what exactly your agenda is here. If you’re willing to believe that a The Unity Club has no interest in promoting the acceptance of homosexuality as just another “orientation,” you’re of course free to do so. That is not the goal of any orthodox Lutheran church body. Our goal is to bring to people to salvation by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Condoning opening sinful conduct is at odds with that mission.

  23. @Thomas #28

    Indeed, anyone who views the Youtube video (discretion advised) posted on their facebook page on March 18, 2012, or who reads the HuffPo propaganda posted there on June 14, 2012 will see that the Unity Club’s intention is clearly to promote the acceptance of homosexuality itself:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Concordia-Unity-Club/300682506610182

    And on their facebook group there is a link from August 10, 2013 to a post from a homosexual activist website offensively called “thenewcivilrightsmovement.com” which blasts the Russian government for banning the promotion of homosexuality to children:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/668772776485531/

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